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 Fenrir.Thandar
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By Fenrir.Thandar 2010-12-16 16:09:46
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Would magical WS's do a lot of damage?
Idk just thought I'd ask.
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By Titan.Darkwizardzin 2010-12-16 16:14:35
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Why wouldn't they?
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By Fenrir.Thandar 2010-12-16 16:17:39
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I guess I worded it poorly, which would do more?
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2010-12-16 16:20:49
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They have mods just like physical ones.

So yes.


Physical seems to do more because they have additional factors such as critical hits and whatnot.
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By Fenrir.Thandar 2010-12-16 16:26:10
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Yeah, I was just thinking about RDM's doing like 20k nukes, if the INT and ***from them would work like that.

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By Bahamut.Aeronis 2010-12-16 16:57:18
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Fenrir.Thandar said:
Yeah, I was just thinking about RDM's doing like 20k nukes, if the INT and ***from them would work like that.
If you boost your MAB up a bunch, it could do a good ammount, but it really depends on the WS I guess. Plus, I think usually physical WSs have larger mod boosts. And as Laffter said, crit and all that nonsense.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-12-16 17:19:43
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Very few of them would. Off the top of my head I think wild fire is the only magical one with a total ftp of 5.0 or higher.

It is also the only one I think that has a stat mod over 30%... while plenty of physical ones go decently higher. Though a few of them of them have a dstat type factor which is uncapped unlike fstr. But then again the base dmg on them is just lvl+2 and 2hders get much higher base dmg weapons.

Then there the attack factor. Melee pdif can go to 3.0 on crit. And another 50% to dmg from atmas. So like 4.5 total not counting the 0-5% randomization

While magic will mostly get mab and day/weather and +element dmg. Now even if you got obi with day + weather and HQ staff bonus and like 150 mab and +30% to element dmg from atma you get about the same... except what are the odds you get weather and day... and then what if you don't have that crazy amount of MAB and what if you are using a melee ws so can't use staffs...

But sure you could get the gun ones up pretty high and probably primal rend too
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-16 18:12:49
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Sanguine Blade is 30% STR 50% MND, but I don't recall fTP.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-12-16 18:28:07
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Sanguine Blade is 30% STR 50% MND, but I don't recall fTP.
2.75.... was 2.0 before they raised it
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-16 18:43:02
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Previous post completely ignored MAB atmas. Could push some fairly disgusting numbers on Sanguine Blade with a good set... Around 9k with BLU/RDM, Amplification, and one 50 MAB atma if I'm not mistaken. More MAB atmas and/or Atma of the Cosmos would push that higher still, and it's not like you'd lose much in the way of output elsewhere with capped stats and all~

Assumes dINT doesn't cap of course.
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By Fenrir.Thandar 2010-12-18 18:00:27
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Someone posted a SS of like a 23k Aeolian Edge, so meh.
I haven't seen other 23k WS's, but I don't look at every SS posted.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-12-19 00:37:24
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Once I get a brew I plan on doing SATACAEFF benthic. Assuming maxed pdif I should get a good 35-40k without any dmg type weaknesses... though I really want to use it to try and close a skillchain on the qutrub nm lol
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By Odin.Sinharvest 2010-12-19 00:52:46
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I've noticed Magic ws's doing way better than physical weapon skills.
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By Artemicion 2010-12-19 00:59:37
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Perhaps now SAMs have a reason to use Koki aside from TH :3
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By Shiva.Khimaira 2010-12-19 01:02:45
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Artemicion said:
Perhaps now SAMs have a reason to use Koki aside from TH :3

Koki TH doesnt proc if DMG breaks 1k :(
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By Artemicion 2010-12-19 01:04:21
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Shiva.Khimaira said:
Artemicion said:
Perhaps now SAMs have a reason to use Koki aside from TH :3

Koki TH doesnt proc if DMG breaks 1k :(

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By Bismarck.Maxse 2010-12-19 01:07:07
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Just did a brewed Rani. Was told to use jinpu instead of the big 3. I have no clue how much gekko yuki kasha etc would do, but jinpu was doing 5-15k average 10k I got all MAB atmas and popped an aestics tonic.
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By Fenrir.Krazyrs 2010-12-19 01:16:21
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5k fudo's vs 20k jinpu's
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-12-19 01:19:57
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Alot of that is probably pdif vs mab. Normally pdif will be stronger... but raja is probably decently higher lvl which will lower it abit. Probably has a high which I'm guessing they didn't do anything about lol
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By Odin.Sinharvest 2010-12-19 01:20:36
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Fenrir.Krazyrs said:

5k fudo's vs 20k jinpu's

Hey thats me! Looking good sin, looking good.
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2010-12-19 01:53:51
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Fenrir.Thandar said:
Someone posted a SS of like a 23k Aeolian Edge, so meh.
I haven't seen other 23k WS's, but I don't look at every SS posted.

It was on a normal mob (I had time leftover after brewing Orthrus)
But, I had no MAB atmas...

Edit: I didn't test Aeolian on Orthrus, but Cyclone did 6k and did 15k to a passing dhalmel, so if we assume the damage increase is proportional (which may be fallacious), it would have done 9kish.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Degeneration 2010-12-19 12:44:48
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Yesterday, I tested my Aeolian Edge was doing much better than my physical WS's. It went between 15k to 20k. My physical WS's were like 5k to 9k. it was meh. It was interesting.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2010-12-19 13:04:11
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I'm not sure if any amount of MATK Bonus will make lolRaiden Thrust do a ***ton of damage.

Please please prove me wrong :(


Jinpu is great because it's Multihit Wind
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2010-12-19 18:04:17
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2010-12-19 18:21:09
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Last night we had a 35k Blade: Chi against the Grauberg zone boss. No MAB atmas/gear/temps were used. Definitely better off with elemental WS with brew.
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2010-12-19 18:22:13
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Phoenix.Kirana said:
Last night we had a 35k Blade: Chi against the Grauberg zone boss. No MAB atmas/gear/temps were used. Definitely better off with elemental WS with brew.

It's even better if your magical WS skilchains with itself lol
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-12-19 18:28:18
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Wonder how would Infernal scythe do.
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2010-12-19 18:58:06
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Phoenix.Fredjan said:
Wonder how would Infernal scythe do.

I'd imagine Rani resists dark damage, but you could try it on something else I guess.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2010-12-23 18:41:46
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:X

Edit: That's with Future Fabulous, Voracious Violet and Minikin. So...
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