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By Carbuncle.Calem 2010-12-06 17:20:20
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Spotted this on wiki and haven't seen it up on here yet, so I thought I'd share.

Estoquer's Gantherots +2
[Hands] All Races
DEF: 22 MND +6 Magic Accuracy +7
Enfeebling Magic Skill +15
Enhances "Saboteur" effect
Set: Augments "Composure"
Lv. 87 RDM

Estoquer's Sayon +2
[Body] All Races
DEF: 52 INT +12 MND +12
Magic Accuracy +10
Adds "Refresh" effect
Enhances enfeebling magic effect
Set: Augments "Composure"
Lv. 89 RDM


I could be wrong here, but I think SE wants Red Mages to be enfeeblers now. Just a hunch, though.
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By Asura.Dajociont 2010-12-06 17:21:54
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what's an enfeeble?
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By Titan.Xairu 2010-12-06 17:26:38
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Damn I need to unlock RDM still :(
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By Phoenix.Ingraham 2010-12-06 17:30:49
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The hands are bought for 25k cruor in Abyssea - Altepa

they look pretty
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2010-12-06 18:03:53
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Carbuncle.Calem said:
Spotted this on wiki and haven't seen it up on here yet, so I thought I'd share.

Estoquer's Gantherots +2
[Hands] All Races
DEF: 22 MND +6 Magic Accuracy +7
Enfeebling Magic Skill +15
Enhances "Saboteur" effect
Set: Augments "Composure"
Lv. 87 RDM

Estoquer's Sayon +2
[Body] All Races
DEF: 52 INT +12 MND +12
Magic Accuracy +10
Adds "Refresh" effect
Enhances enfeebling magic effect
Set: Augments "Composure"
Lv. 89 RDM


I could be wrong here, but I think SE wants Red Mages to be enfeeblers now. Just a hunch, though.

*** WANT. I'm an Enfeebling-Based RDM myself, so this is sex. And My god, finally a Body Refresh that doesn't require pain-in-the-*** NM/HNMs, obsolete events and Ironclad Executioner being dead.


Asura.Dajociont said:
what's an enfeeble?
Something that can save your tank's *** from getting interrupted on Shadows
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By Siren.Froggis 2010-12-06 21:01:23
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Basically can just MND enfeeb in full +2 set now with exception of the pants which seem to be Augur's or Sagacity (if you can't get Augur's) still. Yippee for para-locked bosses.
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By Cerberus.Jogiyat 2010-12-07 19:10:43
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Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
Carbuncle.Calem said:
Spotted this on wiki and haven't seen it up on here yet, so I thought I'd share.

Estoquer's Gantherots +2
[Hands] All Races
DEF: 22 MND +6 Magic Accuracy +7
Enfeebling Magic Skill +15
Enhances "Saboteur" effect
Set: Augments "Composure"
Lv. 87 RDM

Estoquer's Sayon +2
[Body] All Races
DEF: 52 INT +12 MND +12
Magic Accuracy +10
Adds "Refresh" effect
Enhances enfeebling magic effect
Set: Augments "Composure"
Lv. 89 RDM


I could be wrong here, but I think SE wants Red Mages to be enfeeblers now. Just a hunch, though.

*** WANT. I'm an Enfeebling-Based RDM myself, so this is sex. And My god, finally a Body Refresh that doesn't require pain-in-the-*** NM/HNMs, obsolete events and Ironclad Executioner being dead.


Asura.Dajociont said:
what's an enfeeble?
Something that can save your tank's *** from getting interrupted on Shadows

Time to move past 75 my friend. Unless that body has refresh +2, and even then lolrefresh. Nothing game breaking about either piece.
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By Odin.Blazza 2010-12-07 19:13:22
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Cerberus.Jogiyat said:
I'm an elitist *** and you're all gimp for not having a refresh body for the last 5 years.
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By Asura.Kese 2010-12-07 19:14:09
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shits pretty weak
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By Asura.Dajociont 2010-12-07 19:21:29
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Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:

Asura.Dajociont said:
what's an enfeeble?
Something that can save your tank's *** from getting interrupted on Shadows

what's a tank?
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By Asura.Kese 2010-12-07 19:25:04
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Asura.Dajociont said:
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:

Asura.Dajociont said:
what's an enfeeble?
Something that can save your tank's *** from getting interrupted on Shadows

what's a tank?
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By Odin.Blazza 2010-12-07 19:25:47
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Asura.Dajociont said:
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:

Asura.Dajociont said:
what's an enfeeble?
Something that can save your tank's *** from getting interrupted on Shadows

what's a tank?
The person who maintains hate on the mob the majority of the time. Wtf is with all you people? Even if you no longer use pld or nin or what the *** ever to tank, you still have one I'm sure. And if you do nothing but solo on rdm, then you know what enfeebles are for.
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By Asura.Dajociont 2010-12-07 19:27:45
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lol i'm well aware of what an enfeeble is, was just poking fun at the op's point of view.

p.s. what's a mob?
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By Cerberus.Jogiyat 2010-12-07 20:01:41
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Odin.Blazza said:
Cerberus.Jogiyat said:
I'm an elitist *** and you're all gimp for not having a refresh body for the last 5 years.

lulz ok.. you keep playing like a 75 rdm then. Enjoy enfeebling mobs that a naked level 90 rdm can do.
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By Odin.Blazza 2010-12-07 20:48:04
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Cerberus.Jogiyat said:
Odin.Blazza said:
Cerberus.Jogiyat said:
I'm an elitist *** and you're all gimp for not having a refresh body for the last 5 years.

lulz ok.. you keep playing like a 75 rdm then. Enjoy enfeebling mobs that a naked level 90 rdm can do.
Sure, and I'll do it in full potency gear too. Not sure what that has to do with a refresh body though.

Edit @ Dajociont: Sorry dude, missed your first post and running joke there.
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2010-12-07 21:05:21
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Cerberus.Jogiyat said:
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
Carbuncle.Calem said:
Spotted this on wiki and haven't seen it up on here yet, so I thought I'd share.

Estoquer's Gantherots +2
[Hands] All Races
DEF: 22 MND +6 Magic Accuracy +7
Enfeebling Magic Skill +15
Enhances "Saboteur" effect
Set: Augments "Composure"
Lv. 87 RDM

Estoquer's Sayon +2
[Body] All Races
DEF: 52 INT +12 MND +12
Magic Accuracy +10
Adds "Refresh" effect
Enhances enfeebling magic effect
Set: Augments "Composure"
Lv. 89 RDM


I could be wrong here, but I think SE wants Red Mages to be enfeeblers now. Just a hunch, though.

*** WANT. I'm an Enfeebling-Based RDM myself, so this is sex. And My god, finally a Body Refresh that doesn't require pain-in-the-*** NM/HNMs, obsolete events and Ironclad Executioner being dead.


Asura.Dajociont said:
what's an enfeeble?
Something that can save your tank's *** from getting interrupted on Shadows

Time to move past 75 my friend. Unless that body has refresh +2, and even then lolrefresh. Nothing game breaking about either piece.
wat I never said it was gamebreaking, just saying it's nice to have.
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By Cerberus.Jogiyat 2010-12-07 21:10:21
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Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
Cerberus.Jogiyat said:
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:
Carbuncle.Calem said:
Spotted this on wiki and haven't seen it up on here yet, so I thought I'd share.

Estoquer's Gantherots +2
[Hands] All Races
DEF: 22 MND +6 Magic Accuracy +7
Enfeebling Magic Skill +15
Enhances "Saboteur" effect
Set: Augments "Composure"
Lv. 87 RDM

Estoquer's Sayon +2
[Body] All Races
DEF: 52 INT +12 MND +12
Magic Accuracy +10
Adds "Refresh" effect
Enhances enfeebling magic effect
Set: Augments "Composure"
Lv. 89 RDM


I could be wrong here, but I think SE wants Red Mages to be enfeeblers now. Just a hunch, though.

*** WANT. I'm an Enfeebling-Based RDM myself, so this is sex. And My god, finally a Body Refresh that doesn't require pain-in-the-*** NM/HNMs, obsolete events and Ironclad Executioner being dead.


Asura.Dajociont said:
what's an enfeeble?
Something that can save your tank's *** from getting interrupted on Shadows

Time to move past 75 my friend. Unless that body has refresh +2, and even then lolrefresh. Nothing game breaking about either piece.
wat. I never said it was gamebreaking, just saying it's nice to have.

Nah its cool, I just don't get the whole 'enfeebling based RDM' line... i mean if you have 5000 enfeebling skill or 300... it lands or it doesn't, and these days, it almost always lands. Just hope your not wasting slots on enfeebling skill which could otherwise be used for other more useful things.
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2010-12-07 21:15:12
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Cerberus.Jogiyat said:
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said:

wat. I never said it was gamebreaking, just saying it's nice to have.

Nah its cool, I just don't get the whole 'enfeebling based RDM' line... i mean if you have 5000 enfeebling skill or 300... it lands or it doesn't, and these days, it almost always lands. Just hope your not wasting slots on enfeebling skill which could otherwise be used for other more useful things.
Oh...I can understand that. I barely use my AF1+1 Body anymore, favoring it for a potency piece. Other than that it's just Relic hat and Enfeebling Torque. I'll probably get rid of the torque after I get gloves+1/+2.
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By Cerberus.Jogiyat 2010-12-07 21:22:12
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@ 75, the conversation was already shifting out of enfeebling to potency. At 90, even that transition becomes mute. Its very very easy to cap potency inside Abyssea (yes, there is this outside world, but really...even there with mobs tailored for 75, everything should be capped anyways).

So with skill capped naked, potency, probably capped naked with crue buffs. Guys like blazza will call me out for being elitist, but what i'm saying and talking about is well.. pretty damn normal.
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By Asura.Matzilla 2010-12-07 21:26:00
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Cerberus.Jogiyat said:
@ 75, the conversation was already shifting out of enfeebling to potency. At 90, even that transition becomes mute. Its very very easy to cap potency inside Abyssea (yes, there is this outside world, but really...even there with mobs tailored for 75, everything should be capped anyways).

So with skill capped naked, potency, probably capped naked with crue buffs. Guys like blazza will call me out for being elitist, but what i'm saying and talking about is well.. pretty damn normal.

The things you are saying are clearly common knowledge, but the way you say it makes you look like a , a douche
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-12-07 21:40:05
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Cerberus.Jogiyat said:
@ 75, the conversation was already shifting out of enfeebling to potency. At 90, even that transition becomes mute. Its very very easy to cap potency inside Abyssea (yes, there is this outside world, but really...even there with mobs tailored for 75, everything should be capped anyways).

So with skill capped naked, potency, probably capped naked with crue buffs. Guys like blazza will call me out for being elitist, but what i'm saying and talking about is well.. pretty damn normal.

Estoquer's Sayon +2
[Body] All Races
DEF: 52 INT +12 MND +12
Magic Accuracy +10
Adds "Refresh" effect
Enhances enfeebling magic effect
Set: Augments "Composure"
Lv. 89 RDM

Do you hurp-durp often or are you just putting on a show for us?
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2010-12-07 21:42:48
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here are the +1's btw

Estq. Sayon +1
DEF:49 INT+10 MND+10
Magic Accuracy+9
Adds "Refresh" effect

Estq. Ganthrt. +1
DEF:20 MND+4 Magic Accuracy+5
Enfeebling magic skill +10
Enhances "Saboteur" effect
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By Cerberus.Vraelia 2010-12-08 09:55:07
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Really awesome stats for both pieces, even at only +1s. I can't wait to get all my Empyrean Gear to +2s. o.o
Thank you for posting these.
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By Odin.Blazza 2010-12-08 10:15:40
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Funny thing is, I wasn't calling you out in regards to macc or potency, I was calling you out for scoffing at an easily acquirable refresh body piece. Before this there are 4 I can think of:

Zenith = Kings
Morrigan's = Salvage
errant dalmatica mail = MMM (can't remember it's name)
Pluviale = Iron Giant

Of these, Pluviale is the easiest to get, but triggering blue !! is still a pain in the ***, and none of these are an option to a lot of people out there. So saying lolrefresh (when I'm sure you don't just use that morrigan's for looks) is just dumb.

As for the potency debate, the +2 is beaten only by Augur's Jaseran, but that's without taking into account the "enhances enfeebling magic effect" that Serj pointed out. It's also, I believe, higher macc than AF1 body to boot.

The +1 hands ***all over anything else in the game for macc, and +2 is only behind Augur's gloves for potency (I think), but again, that's before taking into account the enhances saboteur.

But you ignore all of that because at level 90 you have a much higher natural enfeebling magic skill. And you may be right, but until all the new zone bosses and Shinryu have been fought, as well as any NMs from future updates, then you may wanna hold onto that gear instead of enfeebling everything naked. Up to you though.
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By Cerberus.Vaness 2010-12-08 10:21:10
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Odin.Blazza said:
Cerberus.Jogiyat said:
I'm an elitist *** and you're all gimp for not having a refresh body for the last 5 years.
lol omg...
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2010-12-08 10:22:55
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If people still have Earth elemental accuracy merits(for Slow to land) instead of Convert merits, please get Convert merits.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2010-12-08 10:25:32
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Also, I think the +2 body will have Refresh 2mp/tick on it. Since the +1 body already has the trait on it, I'm hoping the +2 will get a boost.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-08 10:28:03
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said:
If people still have Earth elemental accuracy merits(for Slow to land) instead of Convert merits, please get Convert merits.
Even as an advocate for Vert merits, I have to admit they do *** all for me in Abyssea. Granted so do macc merits, which is why I haven't tweaked my G1 setup.
 
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By Cerberus.Vraelia 2010-12-09 16:15:36
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said:
If people still have Earth elemental accuracy merits(for Slow to land) instead of Convert merits, please get Convert merits.

If you do your job well, you won't need Convert Merits. I don't have any, and I am still an awesome Red Mage.

And plus, I am more focused on making my enfeebs stronger. And, clearly, RDMs are masters at Enfeebling not Converting, so the better MACC your Enfeebs are the better RDM you're going to be.

And since everyone and their mother is now able to Convert....it makes our Meritting on Convert seem like ***.

Enfeebles > Convert.
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