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 Carbuncle.Asymptotic
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2010-12-03 06:07:36
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Looking at how we learn job traits, it seems we should have learned this at 85.

Has it been tested to confirm we do not actually get IV?

If not, I really hope we get it in this update. I don't care about waltz timers, I don't care about weird JAs...I just want more subtle blow :P

(oops...this was meant for DNC forums...can uh...someone fix that?)
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By Asura.Yunalaysca 2010-12-03 06:18:52
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subtle blow is easily capped as it is with standard TP gear anyways
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-03 08:55:07
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Carbuncle.Asymptotic said:
Looking at how we learn job traits, it seems we should have learned this at 85.

Has it been tested to confirm we do not actually get IV?

If not, I really hope we get it in this update. I don't care about waltz timers, I don't care about weird JAs...I just want more subtle blow :P
We didn't.

Asura.Yunalaysca said:
subtle blow is easily capped as it is with standard TP gear anyways
Auric will be outdated at 90 and even now it's not necessarily a good option.
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By Asura.Yunalaysca 2010-12-03 08:56:34
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Carbuncle.Asymptotic said:
Looking at how we learn job traits, it seems we should have learned this at 85.

Has it been tested to confirm we do not actually get IV?

If not, I really hope we get it in this update. I don't care about waltz timers, I don't care about weird JAs...I just want more subtle blow :P
We didn't.

Asura.Yunalaysca said:
subtle blow is easily capped as it is with standard TP gear anyways
Auric will be outdated at 90 and even now it may not be your best best.
speculating~
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2010-12-03 16:21:15
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Asura.Yunalaysca said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Carbuncle.Asymptotic said:
Looking at how we learn job traits, it seems we should have learned this at 85.

Has it been tested to confirm we do not actually get IV?

If not, I really hope we get it in this update. I don't care about waltz timers, I don't care about weird JAs...I just want more subtle blow :P
We didn't.

Asura.Yunalaysca said:
subtle blow is easily capped as it is with standard TP gear anyways
Auric will be outdated at 90 and even now it may not be your best best.
speculating~

I was solo-tanking Ovni last night, and for kicks I had switched from Auric offhand to a second evasion Kila, and as his HP dropped, the increased rate of TP moves was not only noticeable, it was very problematic. I didn't expect Subtle Blow +10 to make such a huge difference, but it was apparently doing a lot for me.

On the bright side, blue trigger, full drops, so I made bank :P

(also oops, I meant to put this in the DNC forums...)
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-12-03 17:00:21
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Doing some math I don't feel like showing right now... assuming you use suppa + charis neck and the only subtle blow gear you use is rajas... not including haste effects tp given to enemy should be about...

kila + auric should be 2.833 tp/sec

double kila should be 3.105 tp/sec

So only about a 10% increase in tp given to mob.
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By Carbuncle.Asymptotic 2010-12-03 18:31:39
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Doing some math I don't feel like showing right now... assuming you use suppa + charis neck and the only subtle blow gear you use is rajas... not including haste effects tp given to enemy should be about...

kila + auric should be 2.833 tp/sec

double kila should be 3.105 tp/sec

So only about a 10% increase in tp given to mob.

What would be the increase with haste (spell) factored in?
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By Remora.Laphine 2010-12-03 19:16:29
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Carbuncle.Asymptotic said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Doing some math I don't feel like showing right now... assuming you use suppa + charis neck and the only subtle blow gear you use is rajas... not including haste effects tp given to enemy should be about...

kila + auric should be 2.833 tp/sec

double kila should be 3.105 tp/sec

So only about a 10% increase in tp given to mob.

What would be the increase with haste (spell) factored in?

If you don't change the subtle blow auric's performance will stay the same value no matter the amount of haste you put in. If you wanna know how much tp/sec you are actually feeding a mob with x value of haste you just need to multiply the number dasva provided by the haste gain. (17% more tp feed with only haste spell and no haste gear)

The reason why you felt adding auric was such a big deal is because subtle blow also has increasing returns just like haste. If you put 10 subtle blow when you have 40 (capping it), you can say a mob will do 20% less tp moves. The thing about auric is that we also decrease our delay (which increases tp feed) while adding subtle blow, so the real gain from adding auric is smaller.
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