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 Ragnarok.Anye
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-12-01 12:03:17
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Cerberus.Sey said:
Red Mage Lv.87 Shield Mastery.

Lol SE

<---Insert troll face here.
With PLD, it was cool: Shield Mastery with A+ skill.

RDM? F skill? Really? Exactly how often does a shield block proc for a RDM, even with Shield skill+ gear (~30: Acheron/Boxer's/Torque/Buckler's)?
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By Asura.Matzilla 2010-12-01 12:05:03
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Ragnarok.Anye said:
Cerberus.Sey said:
Red Mage Lv.87 Shield Mastery.

Lol SE

<---Insert troll face here.
With PLD, it was cool: Shield Mastery with A+ skill.

RDM? F skill? Really? Exactly how often does a shield block proc for a RDM, even with Shield skill+ gear (~30: Acheron/Boxer's/Torque/Buckler's)?

there was clearly no logical reasoning behind this decision. nor the one to not give us cure 5
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-01 12:06:47
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Ragnarok.Anye said:
Cerberus.Sey said:
Red Mage Lv.87 Shield Mastery.

Lol SE

<---Insert troll face here.
With PLD, it was cool: Shield Mastery with A+ skill.

RDM? F skill? Really? Exactly how often does a shield block proc for a RDM, even with Shield skill+ gear (~30: Acheron/Boxer's/Torque/Buckler's)?
It's not horrible since you're using a type 1 shield (Genbu's, though Acheron is also T1), but still nowhere near what even PLD gets.
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By Asura.Matzilla 2010-12-01 12:08:53
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I mean.. at what point when playing red mage are you going to pull hate with a sword and a shield?
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-12-01 12:10:21
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Cerberus.Sey said:
Red Mage Lv.87 Shield Mastery.

Lol SE

<---Insert troll face here.
With PLD, it was cool: Shield Mastery with A+ skill.

RDM? F skill? Really? Exactly how often does a shield block proc for a RDM, even with Shield skill+ gear (~30: Acheron/Boxer's/Torque/Buckler's)?
It's not horrible since you're using a type 1 shield (Genbu's, though Acheron is also T1), but still nowhere near what even PLD gets.
Ah, okay--still :/ It just doesn't come off as the right decision made by SE.... :( Quite obviously I'm bitter for PLD getting *** :/
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-01 12:10:43
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Gotta get TP when you're melee soloing yo!

...wait...
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-01 12:11:30
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Ragnarok.Anye said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Cerberus.Sey said:
Red Mage Lv.87 Shield Mastery.

Lol SE

<---Insert troll face here.
With PLD, it was cool: Shield Mastery with A+ skill.

RDM? F skill? Really? Exactly how often does a shield block proc for a RDM, even with Shield skill+ gear (~30: Acheron/Boxer's/Torque/Buckler's)?
It's not horrible since you're using a type 1 shield (Genbu's, though Acheron is also T1), but still nowhere near what even PLD gets.
Ah, okay--still :/ It just doesn't come off as the right decision made by SE.... :( Quite obviously I'm bitter for PLD getting *** :/
I feel ya, unless the next few announcements have some pretty hefty updates in store this one is a bust for me.
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-12-01 12:14:29
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Anyone else find it ironic that PLD's new ability is synonymous with a grave?

<YGO:TAS>F***ing ***** ***** ***** on a ****ing sandwich.</YGO:TAS>
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By Bahamut.Vagrua 2010-12-01 12:19:41
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Asura.Matzilla said:
Ragnarok.Anye said:
Cerberus.Sey said:
Red Mage Lv.87 Shield Mastery.

Lol SE

<---Insert troll face here.
With PLD, it was cool: Shield Mastery with A+ skill.

RDM? F skill? Really? Exactly how often does a shield block proc for a RDM, even with Shield skill+ gear (~30: Acheron/Boxer's/Torque/Buckler's)?

there was clearly no logical reasoning behind this decision. nor the one to not give us cure 5
some of the adds seem silly.

Blood Pact: Ward "Inferno Howl" enfire? (why would I use this over AoE stoneskin/earthen ward/aerial armor/tidal roar?)

Bounty Shot (RNG Lv.87 Ability Delay: 5 min.)
Increases the rate at which the target yields treasure. (I thought THF was the TH job. COR might be lucky with rolls which would make me think they'd get this..but RNG why?)

Enmity Douse (BLM Lv.87 Ability Delay: 10 min.)
Reduces the target's enmity towards you. (they should just increase the enmity of paladins and decrease the enmity of all other DD/support jobs actions. otherwise paladins won't be able to hold hate properly with fully atma buffed DD)

Blood Rage (WAR Lv.87 Ability Delay: 5 min. Effect Duration: 30 sec.)
Enhances critical hit rate and critical hit damage for party members within area of effect.
Impetus (MNK Lv.88 Ability Delay: 5 min. Effect Duration: 3 min.)
Enhances attack and critical hit rate with each successive melee attack you land. (just giving DD jobs more dmg output/more enmity build up)

Triple Shot (COR Lv.87 Ability Delay: 3 min. Effect Duration: 90 sec.)
Occasionally uses three units of ammunition to deal extra damage.
(bullet prices > arrow prices, rngs go through 24 stacks of demon arrows with less than the cost of 12 stacks of steel bullets.)

Mana Cede (SMN Lv.87 Ability Delay: 5 min.)
Channels your MP into TP for avatars and elementals.
(why do my elemetals need tp whenever I can't even command them to do anything along with them not even having the spells for their levels?)
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By Fenrir.Weewoo 2010-12-01 12:20:24
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I'm still giggling over RNG getting their little Treasure Hunter shot >:3
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By Odin.Godofgods 2010-12-01 12:22:21
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Bahamut.Raenryong said:
DRK is an utterly worthless job.

/slap
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By Fenrir.Weewoo 2010-12-01 12:23:03
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I'm digging COR's triple shot and Regain roll. Granted it'll be 1/tick for most rolls and lucky/11 will give 2 at most I'm assuming.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-12-01 12:25:05
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Bahamut.Vagrua said:
Enmity Douse (BLM Lv.87 Ability Delay: 10 min.)
Reduces the target's enmity towards you. (they should just increase the enmity of paladins and decrease the enmity of all other DD/support jobs actions. otherwise paladins won't be able to hold hate properly with fully atma buffed DD)

A hurp? *** with everything in the game for pld can feel like it has an important use?

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Blood Rage (WAR Lv.87 Ability Delay: 5 min. Effect Duration: 30 sec.)
Enhances critical hit rate and critical hit damage for party members within area of effect.
Impetus (MNK Lv.88 Ability Delay: 5 min. Effect Duration: 3 min.)
Enhances attack and critical hit rate with each successive melee attack you land. (just giving DD jobs more dmg output/more enmity build up)

Totally don't want DDs doing damage. At all. Especially ones that can tank. Don't want them to have enmity.

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Triple Shot (COR Lv.87 Ability Delay: 3 min. Effect Duration: 90 sec.)
Occasionally uses three units of ammunition to deal extra damage.
(bullet prices > arrow prices, rngs go through 24 stacks of demon arrows with less than the cost of 12 stacks of steel bullets.)

Who cares?

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Mana Cede (SMN Lv.87 Ability Delay: 5 min.)
Channels your MP into TP for avatars and elementals.
(why do my elemetals need tp whenever I can't even command them to do anything along with them not even having the spells for their levels?)

TP affects some BPs of avatars, durp.
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By Fenrir.Weewoo 2010-12-01 12:29:30
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Anyone figure out what that new ninja spell might be based on translations of scroll/tools used?
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By Bahamut.Vagrua 2010-12-01 12:29:51
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Bahamut.Serj said:
Bahamut.Vagrua said:
Enmity Douse (BLM Lv.87 Ability Delay: 10 min.)
Reduces the target's enmity towards you. (they should just increase the enmity of paladins and decrease the enmity of all other DD/support jobs actions. otherwise paladins won't be able to hold hate properly with fully atma buffed DD)

A hurp? *** with everything in the game for pld can feel like it has an important use?

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Blood Rage (WAR Lv.87 Ability Delay: 5 min. Effect Duration: 30 sec.)
Enhances critical hit rate and critical hit damage for party members within area of effect.
Impetus (MNK Lv.88 Ability Delay: 5 min. Effect Duration: 3 min.)
Enhances attack and critical hit rate with each successive melee attack you land. (just giving DD jobs more dmg output/more enmity build up)

Totally don't want DDs doing damage. At all. Especially ones that can tank. Don't want them to have enmity.

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Triple Shot (COR Lv.87 Ability Delay: 3 min. Effect Duration: 90 sec.)
Occasionally uses three units of ammunition to deal extra damage.
(bullet prices > arrow prices, rngs go through 24 stacks of demon arrows with less than the cost of 12 stacks of steel bullets.)

Who cares?

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Mana Cede (SMN Lv.87 Ability Delay: 5 min.)
Channels your MP into TP for avatars and elementals.
(why do my elemetals need tp whenever I can't even command them to do anything along with them not even having the spells for their levels?)

TP affects some BPs of avatars, durp.
DDs can't tank big NMs well at all. them building hate just gets them killed. A paladin takes sufficiently less damage, but has trouble holding hate while the damage to take down the NM is being done by DD.

CORs won't DD if they're burning 200k every 12 stacks of ammunition and not even doing as much damage as RNGs.

I only referred to the elementals part of the job ability. The elementals are really messed up and need adjusted. I already know that avatars get a boost from tp for BPs.


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By Phoenix.Smileybone 2010-12-01 12:30:52
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Fenrir.Weewoo said:
I'm digging COR's triple shot and Regain roll. Granted it'll be 1/tick for most rolls and lucky/11 will give 2 at most I'm assuming.

Probably mimic Evoker's.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-01 12:30:55
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Odin.Godofgods said:
Bahamut.Raenryong said:
DRK is an utterly worthless job.

/slap
The difference between a MNK or NIN and a DRK at this point is downright embarrassing, nevermind the difference between WAR and DRK. When your job is seriously compared to melee BRDs, you know ***needs fixing.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-01 12:31:38
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Bahamut.Vagrua said:
DDs can't tank big NMs well at all.
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By Fenrir.Weewoo 2010-12-01 12:32:41
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Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly brought DRK to its knees as of late?
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2010-12-01 12:33:09
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Fenrir.Weewoo said:
I'm still giggling over RNG getting their little Treasure Hunter shot >:3

I can see it now...

"Guys, hold the NM a while longer, the two parties of rangers need to use Bounty Shot a few more times to ensure 100% drops."

2 parties of rangers, 1 party for holding, 100% dorp.
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By Asura.Matzilla 2010-12-01 12:34:14
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Fenrir.Weewoo said:
Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly brought DRK to its knees as of late?

lack of crit ws
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kyrial 2010-12-01 12:36:48
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Maybe I'm just not the competitive type, but when I saw SCH getting Blink and Stoneskin, I didn't get jealous; I thought "*** yeah, /SCH isn't worthless to BLM anymore!" True, you lose Convert and Refresh, but Sublimation and Dark Arts and Strategems... and Reraise! <_< Though if SS/Blink are Addendum: White only, it'll probably still be useless. But I doubt they are, since they usually specify in these notes if an Addendum is required (as they did with Aero V).
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By Fenrir.Weewoo 2010-12-01 12:36:50
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Asura.Matzilla said:
Fenrir.Weewoo said:
Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly brought DRK to its knees as of late?

lack of crit ws

Is that really the only thing holding them back?
I thought that new scythe WS was wicked strong, but I could be mistaken.
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By Phoenix.Smileybone 2010-12-01 12:38:19
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Fenrir.Weewoo said:
Asura.Matzilla said:
Fenrir.Weewoo said:
Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly brought DRK to its knees as of late?

lack of crit ws

Is that really the only thing holding them back?
I thought that new scythe WS was wicked strong, but I could be mistaken.

With Crit Hit rate capped, jobs that can do a multi-hit crit hit ws can easily do alot more dmg then any job with non crit-hit ws's.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-01 12:38:29
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Fenrir.Weewoo said:
Asura.Matzilla said:
Fenrir.Weewoo said:
Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly brought DRK to its knees as of late?

lack of crit ws

Is that really the only thing holding them back?
I thought that new scythe WS was wicked strong, but I could be mistaken.
Respectable, but it's no Smite/Hi/Ukko's/Fudo.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-12-01 12:40:03
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DDs can't tank big NMs well at all. them building hate just gets them killed. A paladin takes sufficiently less damage, but has trouble holding hate while the damage to take down the NM is being done by DD.

What in the *** have you been smoking?

Edit: Pld takes less damage because they'll never have hate.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-12-01 12:40:07
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Ragnarok.Anye said:
Cerberus.Sey said:
Red Mage Lv.87 Shield Mastery. Lol SE <---Insert troll face here.
With PLD, it was cool: Shield Mastery with A+ skill.

RDM? F skill? Really? Exactly how often does a shield block proc for a RDM, even with Shield skill+ gear (~30: Acheron/Boxer's/Torque/Buckler's)?
Would've been awesome if rdms could still feasibly tank and they hadn't "fixed" sipar
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By Asura.Matzilla 2010-12-01 12:41:41
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
... they hadn't "fixed" sipar

?
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By Fenrir.Weewoo 2010-12-01 12:42:04
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Yeah, I just realized how much crits have become special lately.
With all the neat ***increasing the rate, and the multi hit weapon skills with critical mods, it's no wonder some DDs are left in the dust.

However, most of those fancy weapon skills require you to wear that pseudo-empyrean weapon right? How does that weapon alone measure up to others by grace of weapon skill alone?
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2010-12-01 12:43:17
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Fenrir.Weewoo said:
Anyone figure out what that new ninja spell might be based on translations of scroll/tools used?

I'm not a translator, but my guess is this will be a Stoneskin spell.
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