Utsusemi: ????

Hello i was wondering if this Utsusemi: San existed and if SE did take it away or if it is going to come to the NIN?

What i've heard is that SE took it away due to that it was to powerfull in the game, so that they had to take it away. If this is true, then i wonder if they will ever release it back again, in the upcoming levels of 90-99

I dont believe we will ever be able to use ustusemi: san, iirc though there's a few, or maybe even only one NM that has it.

No player could ever use Utsi:San, i think it was put into the game back in 2003 when RDM had Cure V but never had the level to use it.

dyna ninjas...especially the yags in glacier if i'm not mistaken use it

Sorry it is unlikely that :san will be added since it would make pld's next to useless and se has proven that they have a hardon for pld. If you look at this last update alone they destroyed nin/drk and before that they have destroyed other subjobs(nin/brd) that helped nin become a better or equal tank to pld. :/ Also nin has never had san but it is in the .dats and is used by some mobs gessho and dynamis yags Iirc

they could always do something stupid like make it share a timer with Ni or Ichi

what i think is, that they should release every spell/ability and the other types for us, and i mean....just look what SE do work on right now....FFXIV so why not give us the glory to actually have some fun and use them. when you are let's say 99 or 95, then it would be cool to have those "forbidden ones" to play with lol :P

Except they didn't. They lowered the VE threshold that NIN/DRK used to be able to sustain. CE generation hasn't much changed boy genius. Only thing that changed for NIN who still do it is that Bind is lost from their VE arsenal. For certain groups NIN/DRK is still viable. Know what you're talking about before you speak ill of NIN tanking.

Sorry don't really wish to argue it. You have to admit with the last update nin tanking became a bit harder and i'm not trying to talk ill of nin tanking, if it came out that way i am sorry. I sympathize with them 100% i'm a pld and imo we are over powered versus nin. I'm not saying we should be nerfed just se should throw nin a bone.

And btw Aneu if your trying to start a argument with me it won't work. :/ I understand you don't like me very much that's cool can't get along with everyone i suppose...
This will be the last i post in this topic.

It was nerfed, it's wasn't destroyed though. Given the direction they've gone with the hatespell nerf though it's all the incentive most NIN need to retire their NIN/DRKs.

Nin/drk isn't dead. It's just harder. Well really more like needs a little more time to build hate frist.

And either way unless it had some rediculously long recast time like say base 2 min (which would just make everyone rage), or it was weird and only had like 2 shadows it would just be abit over powered when combine with ichi and ni

Ryumon dagger mamool nm uses utsu:san also but with him it spawns clones when he uses it.

... that is some serious nerdrage right there, I must have missed the backstory but I'm sure it's amusing.

On topic: nin tanking is situational. Its fun to speculate about :san, but I actually don't see it helping much, other than making a nice oshi safety net. I think they'd be better off w/ different buffs like a throwing WS or something.

That's nerdrage? Um.. okay...

Wasnt NIN supposed to be a mage support when SE made it and we just turned it into a tanking job?

/supports Galahad

Giving san to nin in reality really wouldnt do too much everyone saying it would over power the job is wrong. Yes shadows arent always up with agas/hundredfist/aoes etc but rarely with march and elegy does a nin wish he had another utsu spell cos ichi and ni are down. PLD, MNK, DRK, and SAM one of these jobs will tank w/e the NM is better than NIN. Its why my NIN will remain 75.

Remember rdm is getting a JA which enhances the effects of its next enfeebling magic, and you never know they may give bard massacre elegy, I really cant see much use for utsu san outside of solo and a small selection of nms. And to say it would overpower the job is very much an exadgeration.

So what makes Utsusemi: San... well.. Utsusemi: San? What I'm reading is it will overpower and stuff. Can I get a fake wiki description or something please? I sorry.

lawl stop asking stuff SE will just release the opposite of what your asking


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l2facts. FFXI and FFXIV have different development teams. This means that "SE" is not just working on one game, but both.

Though about a fourth of the FFXI team moved to XIV.

San will be way overpowered unless there are strict limitations on it.
nins with a good haste setup + the spell can keep shadows up 100% of the time. Why do they need 5 shadows!??

Why would you want a "fake wiki description" ?

Dont quite understand what you mean unless you just want us to speculate what the description would be.

in all honesty i could see that happening.. though with all the equip to lower cast time, and recast.. i can see :san being like an instant cast nin might be to much though

Initially NIN was intended to be a DD with the ability to debuff mobs in the process. It was the player base that turned it into a tank, which you said. SE gave up on it's initial idea of the job and began tweaking it to be more...well...tank-ish.

The point is that currently Ichi and Ni with a hasted NIN is able to keep up shadows nearly constantly (except when fighting quick hitting mobs, mandies and such). Add a 3rd tier of Utsusemi and most likely you won't even need to worry bout haste to for the next spell to be rdy for casting.

As a side note I thought I saw the developers talking bout adding a new Utsu spell for nin's during the Fan Fest discussions about job enhancements, can't remember and a bit too late to go shooting through the vids.

Here's the vid page for anyone willing to prove me wrong or verify what I thought I read.