DA Cap And When Does It Start To Diminish
DA Cap and when does it start to diminish
So I was told today by a DNC that DNC was the best DD in the entire game because Saber Dance gives you 50% DA and that destroys any DD, even Hasso jobs.... So at what % does DA start to have diminished returns and what is the exact DA% on Saber Dance.
technically, it has diminishing returns anywhere past 1%
i'm not entirely sure that's what you are asking though?
i'm not entirely sure that's what you are asking though?
At what % does DA become a very small percentile to where it is not even practical per +1added in gear/abil
Each percent is worth less than the one before. The amount that you will get more gain vs. another stat on a piece depends on how much of what stat is on the gear you are trying to replace.
Carbuncle.Sevourn said:
technically, it has diminishing returns anywhere past 1%
i'm not entirely sure that's what you are asking though?
i'm not entirely sure that's what you are asking though?
This^
+1 gives you 1% proc rate regardless of your current value, but the overall effect on your DPS is smaller.
+1 +.99 +.98 +.97 etc.
It's only really a bad thing if you're sacrificing something like Haste in favour of it, but it won't actually lower your perfomance.
So in no way shape or form could Saber Dance ever be more efficient then hasso? This is coming from a DNC who didnt fully merit haste samba either :(
Saber Dance is more efficient than Hasso solo, but that's about the only place.
I am tlkin in a strictly epeen, parsing scenario vs. real DDs
Well the increase from the dance isn't clear, and it gradually decreases whereas Hasso is a constant. Plus you have DA yourself. That and DNC has low D so yeah >_> Whoever told you that was smoking something good. Even +1% DA would lose to 1% Haste.
DA does win in large increments in short term fights though. But with enough time for Haste to take effect it wouldn't come close.
DA does win in large increments in short term fights though. But with enough time for Haste to take effect it wouldn't come close.
Hasso is not constant. Using it in a merit party with a DNC (fully meritted Haste samba), RDM, and BRD will give Hasso more than a 50% increase in attack speed.
I know that thank you though :)
I so wanted to type "according to Nabis dancer can tank and according to some other person dancer is a real damage dealer"
Oh, ***I just did, sorry
Oh, ***I just did, sorry
I mean Hasso gives you a constant bonus since it isn't a proc. It's Saber Dance vs Hasso alone
thanks for the quick responses, i pretty much said what you all said, but they wouldn't listen so had to get the opinions of ppl who weren't my friends so they could read and learn :)
Fenrir.Mankey said:
so had to get the opinions of ppl who weren't my friends
I see how it is ; ;
I'm not gonna pretend to understand the argument with regards to diminishing returns.
But instead I'll ask this. Why are we comparing an ability that gives a large amount of DA to an ability that adds str, acc and att speed? Neither of which are used by the same jobs anyway...
The Dnc was probably pissed because as all us Dnc's find out, people lol at the idea a Dnc could DD. He has probably spent his time soloing EM, T and VT mobs, seen some impressive numbers from his Dancing Edge and thought to himself 'damn I'm a good DD'. He may have even seen himself out preforming DD jobs such as SAM while doing FoV's along side them.
But the fact of the matter is He isn't a DD and more than likely never will be.
But instead I'll ask this. Why are we comparing an ability that gives a large amount of DA to an ability that adds str, acc and att speed? Neither of which are used by the same jobs anyway...
The Dnc was probably pissed because as all us Dnc's find out, people lol at the idea a Dnc could DD. He has probably spent his time soloing EM, T and VT mobs, seen some impressive numbers from his Dancing Edge and thought to himself 'damn I'm a good DD'. He may have even seen himself out preforming DD jobs such as SAM while doing FoV's along side them.
But the fact of the matter is He isn't a DD and more than likely never will be.
Because the DNC said his DA beats Hasso, hence the discussion.
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said:
Fenrir.Mankey said:
so had to get the opinions of ppl who weren't my friends
I see how it is ; ;
Diabolos.Wilsner said:
I'm not gonna pretend to understand the argument with regards to diminishing returns.
But instead I'll ask this. Why are we comparing an ability that gives a large amount of DA to an ability that adds str, acc and att speed? Neither of which are used by the same jobs anyway...
The Dnc was probably pissed because as all us Dnc's find out, people lol at the idea a Dnc could DD. He has probably spent his time soloing EM, T and VT mobs, seen some impressive numbers from his Dancing Edge and thought to himself 'damn I'm a good DD'. He may have even seen himself out preforming DD jobs such as SAM while doing FoV's along side them.
But the fact of the matter is He isn't a DD and more than likely never will be.
But instead I'll ask this. Why are we comparing an ability that gives a large amount of DA to an ability that adds str, acc and att speed? Neither of which are used by the same jobs anyway...
The Dnc was probably pissed because as all us Dnc's find out, people lol at the idea a Dnc could DD. He has probably spent his time soloing EM, T and VT mobs, seen some impressive numbers from his Dancing Edge and thought to himself 'damn I'm a good DD'. He may have even seen himself out preforming DD jobs such as SAM while doing FoV's along side them.
But the fact of the matter is He isn't a DD and more than likely never will be.
Siren.Agles said:
back to what was 1st said.
"So I was told today by a DNC that DNC was the best DD in the entire game"
no its not. and thats coming from someone who loves thier DNC. we can all admit though, its shaping up to be pretty good.
fact is i think SE sees DNC as a "jack of all traids" someone who can DD, Tank, and Heal. but a true jack of all... is a master of none. it wont be the best. more then likely never will be.
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Agles
"So I was told today by a DNC that DNC was the best DD in the entire game"
no its not. and thats coming from someone who loves thier DNC. we can all admit though, its shaping up to be pretty good.
fact is i think SE sees DNC as a "jack of all traids" someone who can DD, Tank, and Heal. but a true jack of all... is a master of none. it wont be the best. more then likely never will be.
='.'=
Agles
Siren.Agles said:
ok, then you FULLY missed my point.
because what you said to say i was wrong. infact inpart makes my point.
really, if you ask me. it sounds like you where one of these DDs being out done by a DNC. and are quite upset about it. meantime this DNC wasnt doing anything to aid the party as a suport job. which only pissed you off even more.
what a sad sad little troll.
because what you said to say i was wrong. infact inpart makes my point.
really, if you ask me. it sounds like you where one of these DDs being out done by a DNC. and are quite upset about it. meantime this DNC wasnt doing anything to aid the party as a suport job. which only pissed you off even more.
what a sad sad little troll.
Wow, you flipped. I'm pretty sure that was uncalled for when Mankey was being perfectly civil.
I was stating the fact DNCs current role is haste samba ***, not trolling :( Didn't miss your point, it made sense, SE is trying to move DNC a bit from that role but doubt it will work. Also I was not one of the DDs to be outparsed by the DNC, unless i was really slacking I highly doubt it would even be possible for me to fall behind even a DNC that was main assisting.
WTF is this thread.
Hasso is -10% haste:
Hasso increase damage by 10-almost 50% depending on other buffs/gear.
Saber Dance: Assuming 50% DA it will double attack 50 times in 100 swings. Assuming you already have brutal earring that's a gain of 50 swings to inital bonus of 5.
So 105 swings vs 150 swings = 105/150 = about a 30% increase in damage.
Anyone who says saber dance is better than hasso should be blacklisted.
Hasso is -10% haste:
Hasso increase damage by 10-almost 50% depending on other buffs/gear.
Saber Dance: Assuming 50% DA it will double attack 50 times in 100 swings. Assuming you already have brutal earring that's a gain of 50 swings to inital bonus of 5.
So 105 swings vs 150 swings = 105/150 = about a 30% increase in damage.
Anyone who says saber dance is better than hasso should be blacklisted.
lmao Exc
Fenrir.Mankey said:
They thought 50% DA meant you will attack 50 more times in a hundred phase test
Well that is true at least.
Fenrir.Mankey said:
what is the exact DA% on Saber Dance.
Siren.Agles said:
fact is i think SE sees DNC as a "jack of all traids" someone who can DD, Tank, and Heal. but a true jack of all... is a master of none. it wont be the best. more then likely never will be.
Alexander.Temaruma said:
Fenrir.Mankey said:
They thought 50% DA meant you will attack 50 more times in a hundred phase test
Well that is true at least.
I meant Double attack 50 times in a hundred phase test :x
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