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By Nikashi 2010-08-24 20:45:48
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Might be in the wrong section for this, but here goes...

I was wondering if someone could give me a quick rundown on how to calculate an adjusted DPS for an OA3 weapon, assuming a 30/50/20 proc rate. Specific weapon I'm looking at is the OA3 scythe from TotM. Base damage is 51; delay is 528. I think I've got the general idea of it down, but there's gotta be a step I'm missing or something.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-08-24 20:49:57
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Not sure what you mean... But I'd just multiply average number of hits by base dmg/delay.

Then of course do same for other weapons. If you want to be more accurate factor in double attack (Assuming you tp in any) in both. This will make a bit of difference since it they it is factored seperate from the weapon procs. I also believe double attack will overwrite the 3 proc but not sure.

Of course that is just melee dps... so doesn't take into account ws dmg or how fast to ws. Hell doesn't even factor in possible different gearings to maintain Xhit builds depending on delay
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-08-24 21:04:19
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OaThrice is 50/30/20!

50/30/20 is an average number of attacks per round of (50 + 30*2 + 20*3)/100 = 1.7.

Add 5% DA to this (ignoring Pole Grip) and 1hit/3hit rounds decrease by 5% each and the 2hit rounds fill in this gap, giving you a distribution of 47.5/33.5/19, or 1.715 hits per round.

Finally, compare this to the original hits per round, which is 1.05 (1.07 if Pole Grip). Your increase is (1.715-1.05)/1.05, substitute 1.07 if Pole Grip; a 63.3% increase in DoT/WS frequency. WS frequency will be overestimated and subject to human error.

Then you need to apply DMG/delay/etc considerations~
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By Ifrit.Nikashi 2010-08-24 21:30:32
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Okay, I think I understand it a little better. And I was going off of the occurrence rate on the M.Kris page on the wiki for an example. Thanks for the help. :)
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-08-24 21:45:28
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With a little bit of double attack gear you might (Probably) actually do better with OAT scythe.
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By Ifrit.Nikashi 2010-08-24 21:55:44
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
With a little bit of double attack gear you might (Probably) actually do better with OAT scythe.

How well would the OAT scythe compare to the DA+5 scythe from trials?
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By Ifrit.Zibo 2010-08-24 22:04:30
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
With a little bit of double attack gear you might (Probably) actually do better with OAT scythe.

DA and OAT is calculated separately, so DA gear makes no difference. OAT scythe is better.
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By Cerberus.Excelior 2010-08-24 22:24:40
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Ifrit.Nikashi said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
With a little bit of double attack gear you might (Probably) actually do better with OAT scythe.
How well would the OAT scythe compare to the DA+5 scythe from trials?

Assuming Brutal/pole grip:
100 attacks +7% = 107 attacks

DA scythe added in
100+ 12%DA= 112 attacks

Difference between:
107/112= 4.5% more attacks per round

OAT:
100 attacks + 7% = 107

100attacks + 140% = 140 attacks

40 attacks -7%(DA and OAT dont stack)= 37

107+37= 144

107/144 = 36% more attacks

Comparing the two:
112/144 = 23% more attacks with OAT

You can then factor that into your DPS and you can get a rough estimate.
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By Nikashi 2010-08-24 22:30:56
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Guess I probably should have thought about this earlier, but if it's helpful at all, here's what my TP gear looks like now.

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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-08-24 22:33:17
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Rajas ring or Rose Strap. Brutal earring and eventually fire bomblet/blitz ring depending on situation.
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By Ifrit.Nikashi 2010-08-24 22:40:09
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I've been workin' on CoP missions slowly but surely. Currently on Three Paths. Don't really care much for campaign, though the urge for it comes and goes.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-24 22:52:27
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Zibo said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
With a little bit of double attack gear you might (Probably) actually do better with OAT scythe.

DA and OAT is calculated separately, so DA gear makes no difference. OAT scythe is better.
They're not additive, so it's still a factor.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-08-24 22:52:50
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Ifrit.Nikashi said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
With a little bit of double attack gear you might (Probably) actually do better with OAT scythe.
How well would the OAT scythe compare to the DA+5 scythe from trials?
I'd put the high dmg OAT higher unless you are getting enough double attack buffs (read decent amount of gear AND cor roll) for DA+5 to be better. Even then it might not be. Not sure if you can get enough DA for the fact that they are factored seperately to devalue OAT enough for DA to be better... even then I'd probably get the empyrean for those situations
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-08-24 23:11:49
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Zibo said:
Ramuh.Dasva said:
With a little bit of double attack gear you might (Probably) actually do better with OAT scythe.

DA and OAT is calculated separately, so DA gear makes no difference. OAT scythe is better.
They're not additive, so it's still a factor.

You mean they're not multiplicative! They are additive.
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