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Realizations about FFXI as a game.
Sylph.Kittty
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By Sylph.Kittty 2010-06-23 08:37:16
Cerberus.Alzeroth said: Fairy.Spence said: Zekko said: Cerberus.Alzeroth said: You realize playing this game for 5 years, at the minimum price, not counting any interest you may accumulate not making the payment in time, that's at least $800. Imagine all the hookers you've lost out on. Depends if you go for quality or quantity :P
I'm gonna teach you a solution to really cheap hookers.
Items you'll need:
Roll of Toilet Paper;
Condom;
Hand lotion / Lube;
Microwave.
Step 1: Take your roll of toilet paper and remove the little roll of cardboard that's inside it acting as a brace for the roll. You'll notice the roll of toilet paper collapses in on itself, at this point you're already thinking dirty things when you look at it.
Step 2: Take out the condom, and unroll it, then pass the condom through the collapsed roll of toilet paper, and then wrap the edges of the condom back around the roll. If you did this right, you'll notice the toilet paper becomes extremely compressed now, and you can stick your fingers inside it. The condom is used to protect yourself from possible chaffing, and it's easier to slide things into it.
Step 3: Take your hand lotion and or lube, put some inside the roll of toilet paper, or whatever you want to call it at this point.
Step 4: (Optional): Place the roll inside the microwave for no more then 5 seconds! Remember kids, touching it with the tip of your finger to see if its hot, and the tip of your penis are two different things. You will singe yourself.
Step 5: (reccomended): Now place the roll of toilet paper between your matress and your box spring, and have it her! Call her names, slap her around, remind her how dirty she really is.
And there you go, total cost of items, $4-$5 dependingon where you live. Much cheaper then a hooker, and you know the *** is clean.
*Became a man today*
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By Sylph.Beelshamen 2010-06-23 09:09:47
Ramuh.Krizz said: Cerberus.Alzeroth said: You realize playing this game for 5 years, at the minimum price, not counting any interest you may accumulate not making the payment in time, that's at least $800.
So if we think about this, you're merely buying your friends right now, and all those memories, that's just the additional content bonus you get when putting that much money into a game :)
It's still less than I would have paid for enough games to take the same amount of game time.
Do you pay for game time or game quality and diversity?
You pay that money for a single game, for the same experience over and over again with a different coating, now and then.
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By Unicorn.Nymphadora 2010-06-23 09:16:04
It's a mmo, you aren't supposed to be able to win.
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Ramuh.Krizz
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-06-23 09:18:33
Sylph.Beelshamen said: Ramuh.Krizz said: Cerberus.Alzeroth said: You realize playing this game for 5 years, at the minimum price, not counting any interest you may accumulate not making the payment in time, that's at least $800.
So if we think about this, you're merely buying your friends right now, and all those memories, that's just the additional content bonus you get when putting that much money into a game :)
It's still less than I would have paid for enough games to take the same amount of game time.
Do you pay for game time or game quality and diversity?
You pay that money for a single game, for the same experience over and over again with a different coating, now and then. Not even going to touch this since you're trying to make it more than it really is.
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By Sylph.Beelshamen 2010-06-23 09:22:39
Ramuh.Krizz said: Sylph.Beelshamen said: Ramuh.Krizz said: Cerberus.Alzeroth said: You realize playing this game for 5 years, at the minimum price, not counting any interest you may accumulate not making the payment in time, that's at least $800.
So if we think about this, you're merely buying your friends right now, and all those memories, that's just the additional content bonus you get when putting that much money into a game :)
It's still less than I would have paid for enough games to take the same amount of game time.
Do you pay for game time or game quality and diversity?
You pay that money for a single game, for the same experience over and over again with a different coating, now and then. Not even going to touch this since you're trying to make it more than it really is.
Not exactly. That happened when it started to become about money instead of the game. I was just delving into the discussion a little deeper.
I am just trying to say that money spend on a MMO isn't comparable to money being spent on a wide selection of games of different platforms and genres.
Ramuh.Krizz
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-06-23 09:26:20
Sylph.Beelshamen said: Not exactly. That happened when it started to become about money instead of the game. I was just delving into the discussion a little deeper.
I am just trying to say that money spend on a MMO isn't comparable to money being spent on a wide selection of games of different platforms and genres. My point was strictly from a financial viewpoint on material possessions (subscription fee counts as material in this statement).
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2010-06-23 09:27:54
to those of you who think FFXI is only a game designed to kill hours upon hours of time, go see your therapist.
to those of you who think FFXI is more than "just a game", go register at Arkham.
to those of you who get butthurt when someone says "Well, its just a game.", go find Jesus.
to those of you who ever went to a brothel, you know the saying "you get what you paid for". Would you prefer a *** with a happy ending, or a simple hand job?
Cerberus.Alzeroth
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By Cerberus.Alzeroth 2010-06-23 09:39:35
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: to those of you who think FFXI is only a game designed to kill hours upon hours of time, go see your therapist. to those of you who think FFXI is more than "just a game", go register at Arkham. to those of you who get butthurt when someone says "Well, its just a game.", go find Jesus. to those of you who ever went to a brothel, you know the saying "you get what you paid for". Would you prefer a *** with a happy ending, or a simple hand job?
to those of you who make poor jokes trolling ffxi forums; shoot yourself in the face.
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2010-06-23 09:45:16
Asura.Lordgenbu said: tl;dr
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2010-06-23 10:00:17
Cerberus.Alzeroth said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: to those of you who think FFXI is only a game designed to kill hours upon hours of time, go see your therapist. to those of you who think FFXI is more than "just a game", go register at Arkham. to those of you who get butthurt when someone says "Well, its just a game.", go find Jesus. to those of you who ever went to a brothel, you know the saying "you get what you paid for". Would you prefer a *** with a happy ending, or a simple hand job?
to those of you who make poor jokes trolling ffxi forums; shoot yourself in the face. Because you're a Canuck is enough a reason to get humped to death by beavers
Cerberus.Alzeroth
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By Cerberus.Alzeroth 2010-06-23 10:02:08
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Cerberus.Alzeroth said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: to those of you who think FFXI is only a game designed to kill hours upon hours of time, go see your therapist. to those of you who think FFXI is more than "just a game", go register at Arkham. to those of you who get butthurt when someone says "Well, its just a game.", go find Jesus. to those of you who ever went to a brothel, you know the saying "you get what you paid for". Would you prefer a *** with a happy ending, or a simple hand job? to those of you who make poor jokes trolling ffxi forums; shoot yourself in the face. Because you're a Canuck is enough a reason to get humped to death by beavers
Don't threaten me with a good time :o
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By Ramuh.Rustytiger 2010-06-23 10:05:25
I too have often questioned the reasons of my staying on the game and enjoying what it has to offer, and beleive me I have had many questions over the years after putting up with multiple views of the player base which can make or break the fun of the game, not just the repetition.
Take for example a few years ago. Back when I started getting into endgame I joined an endgame Ls that did Sky, Ein', the works. It was fun at first until my grandmother fell terminally ill and I had to explain tooth and nail why I needed to take time off activities to see to affairs and my grandmother's passing when the time came. The ls leaders wanted to kick me off the ls even though they told me it was fine but I heard differently from somebody else the truth. Seeing my grandmother on her deathbead, then when my cousin couldn't attend the funeral because he had an ffxi online buddy come visit him during these times made me so angry at the playerbase of this game that I almost quit entirely. "How can people value a damn game over life itself?" I had often asked myself many mamy times.
I took a break instead to just get away from it all but then when I was going to quit I asked myself why do i play. The answer was right in front of me; I play because its fun and playing it with people who share the same views as I do, that life comes first, makes it all worthwhile, even if things tend to be mundane.
All the years I went to finish COP, I look back on all the fun times I had with the static groups I was with, or even when I did dynamis with Fraggle Force as well as Sky with them (we still do sky tho), all the skype conversations we have, things like that are what means to me about this game, not the gearwhore powertripping emo SoBs that play this along with us. And I dont make a fuss if I don't have so/and/so "leet gear" (geez, that word, "leet" such a misguided and abused word for a game). Its nice to try to obtain things within your own means, so if you can't get things that require you to camp it for 20-30 hours straight big whoop if you ask me. This game is a hobby, not a lifestyle and requirement. That is how I feel about it.
So, even if i should quit or when the game shuts down completely I'll miss it but I won't loose any sleep over it either.
Fairy.Spence
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-06-23 10:06:59
Cerberus.Alzeroth said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Cerberus.Alzeroth said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: to those of you who think FFXI is only a game designed to kill hours upon hours of time, go see your therapist. to those of you who think FFXI is more than "just a game", go register at Arkham. to those of you who get butthurt when someone says "Well, its just a game.", go find Jesus. to those of you who ever went to a brothel, you know the saying "you get what you paid for". Would you prefer a *** with a happy ending, or a simple hand job? to those of you who make poor jokes trolling ffxi forums; shoot yourself in the face. Because you're a Canuck is enough a reason to get humped to death by beavers
Don't threaten me with a good time :o
/hi5!
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2010-06-23 10:08:36
Cerberus.Alzeroth said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Cerberus.Alzeroth said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: to those of you who think FFXI is only a game designed to kill hours upon hours of time, go see your therapist. to those of you who think FFXI is more than "just a game", go register at Arkham. to those of you who get butthurt when someone says "Well, its just a game.", go find Jesus. to those of you who ever went to a brothel, you know the saying "you get what you paid for". Would you prefer a *** with a happy ending, or a simple hand job? to those of you who make poor jokes trolling ffxi forums; shoot yourself in the face. Because you're a Canuck is enough a reason to get humped to death by beavers
Don't threaten me with a good time :o its always fun and games til something bad happens lol
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By Shiva.Darkshade 2010-06-23 10:26:12
Questing virtual fame.
It's the same thing as coming out in first place in a team death match.
It's the same as being number one a a RTS ladder.
Questing virtual fame.
There are fun elements and there are ***elements, but I enjoy it for what it is.
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By Asura.Remorazz 2010-06-23 10:31:36
Shiva.Darkshade said: Questing virtual fame.
It's the same thing as coming out in first place in a team death match.
It's the same as being number one a a RTS ladder.
Questing virtual fame.
There are fun elements and there are ***elements, but I enjoy it for what it is.
Very true, i respect that.
Remora.Faythe
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By Remora.Faythe 2010-06-23 10:41:55
I didn't think there was ever this much to think about with playing the game... If you don't enjoy it anymore, then quit. If you're still having fun, then continue playing.
As others have already said, for me, this is a hell of a lot cheaper than other things I could occupy my time with...
Caitsith.Neonracer
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2010-06-23 14:03:45
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Cerberus.Alzeroth said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Cerberus.Alzeroth said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: to those of you who think FFXI is only a game designed to kill hours upon hours of time, go see your therapist. to those of you who think FFXI is more than "just a game", go register at Arkham. to those of you who get butthurt when someone says "Well, its just a game.", go find Jesus. to those of you who ever went to a brothel, you know the saying "you get what you paid for". Would you prefer a *** with a happy ending, or a simple hand job? to those of you who make poor jokes trolling ffxi forums; shoot yourself in the face. Because you're a Canuck is enough a reason to get humped to death by beavers
Don't threaten me with a good time :o
its always fun and games til something bad happens lol
I guess you missed out on either the latest when confirmed that nothing never bad happens to us. Welcome to the Great White North, where its a party everyday, even @ 2 p.m!
\(^.^)b<---- </Cheers>!!
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By Unicorn.Nymphadora 2010-06-23 14:48:06
If you can't enjoy the game anymore because of the people in it, maybe you should chuck the pearl you've got out and find another one, dump some people off your flist and make room to put others on there, and go find something fun to do in game that doesn't require that un-fun environment. There's so many different things you can do in this game besides endgame (and even including endgame to an extent) that you're only making it repetitive for yourself if you concentrate all your attention on... dynamis. :[ Or limbus.. Go find a group of people who think more like you, like the same things you like, and play for the same reasons you play for and still enjoy the game. And if that doesn't turn things around for ya then maybe it's time for a break.
Unicorn.Roxanna
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By Unicorn.Roxanna 2010-06-23 15:50:08
I have never done any endgame because I don't want to. Hell, I transferred servers to enjoy the game more because I was unhappy where I was. I play the game for the social aspects, and for the storyline. It is sort of an escape for me, to be able to get away from everything in the real world for a little while, and to de-stress. I avoid activities in the game that appear stressful. It's all what you make of it. Endgame is repetitive, but there are other aspects that aren't.
Leviathan.Rihoko
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By Leviathan.Rihoko 2010-06-23 18:46:44
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: FFXI is a lifestyle.
Also FFXI is a social club.
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By Ramuh.Yitzhak 2010-06-23 19:50:08
Diabolos.Otahar said: That isn't much if you compare what buying 1 $60 game each month for 5 years.Using normal sales tax in my area.(64.20x12=770.40x5=3,852.00) Now take into consideration that the average play time of a normal MMO player is around 24-25 hours a week according to at least one site, with some others claiming 90 a week. Now if the average non MMO takes 30 hours to complete, you would have to buy almost 4 games a month to get the same amout of play time material. That's 15,408.00. Yeah I'll take that 800 bucks over 15K anyday. ^^ This is true... After I quit FFXI in march, I'm finding myself getting a new PS3/360 every 2 weeks (average). So instead of $60 for the monthly. its $480... hmm maybe I should come back [/quote]
You may be spending more money this way, but when the day is done, you still have your soul. :)
I was thinking about it earlier today, and noticed that the first version update with the level cap increase had came. Although that had some significance with what i'm about to talk about in this post, it's more centered on the game itself.
I haven't played FFXI in a few monthes now. I quit awhile back for various reasons (school, other interests, social life in the game), but back then I hadn't noticed one of the biggest (if not the biggest) reasons why I had decided to put the game down, which was the longevity of this game.
When you think about it, the primary reason you play a game is for fun, right? I suppose this is pretty solid across the board with all MMOs, but FFXI was really the only one that I have gotten into deep enough to relate, but what is the point of playing a game that basically offers nearly zero variability or value in gameplay? After playing and experiencing most of the things FFXI has to offer, it's kind of easy to understand that FFXI is a game of dreadful repetition and not much else. Take Salvage for example, which was probably the activity that I spent most of my time on while ingame. The whole system of it is as linear as possible: Get this item, kill this monster, hope for it to drop some other item, go here, repeat a few times, kill the boss, exit the zone, and come again the next day to do the exact same thing (Speaking in the sense of the exact same procedure for the four remnant areas.)
I've done Dynamis, HNMs, ZNMs, Einherjar, Sky, Sea, and some other stuff as well (Can't remember off the top of my head.) and it seems like it's the same deal all across the board. Most of the game's possibilities (if not all, bar new update stuff that will also eventually be documented) are completely laid out for you by way of sites like FFXIclopedia and what not, and once you understand that if a monster does X move, you employ Y strategy and deal with it, no questions asked.
After you get the drop you want, then it's great, now you go off to some other area and do the same thing and hope for the other monster to drop that other rare piece of equipment you, or a friend of yours, or even multiple people in your linkshell want.
This is basically what i've realized FFXI is, as an actual game. Sure, it's fun when you first get into that one endgame activity that you have no idea how to do, but after you figure it out, it's all repetition from there on until you get what you want and move on. This is, so far, the basic structure for pretty much everything inside of the game. There is (seemingly) no end either, which is the somewhat disturbing part of this all. With the level cap increase, SE gave the playerbase all sorts of new, powerful items that overshadowed most of the things that the community has been using for years, which is nice in a sense, because we are getting "new" things, but what's the point to all of these insane (omfg haste +7% more than speed belt! etc.) things if we're eventually going to have
things that will be even better than these. If this is what they are giving us with the first update, than it's just a matter of time before all of these items become level fodder in light of level 99~ equipment, and then the economy will again come to a standstill where we will have hagun, cuchulain, blau, etc. equivalents at level 99, then what? It's kind of strange looking at all the comments that people are leaving on these new items that consist of "omfg, this is amazing / i just came / wow SE finally didn't fuck up their update to make us even more powerful"
With updates like this that just bring even more powerful items to the table that destroy previous ones, it just seems more and more apparent that SE is just toying with us with the carrot on the stick that we will never be able to reach, but still have incentives to follow(see: pay money) it.
When I think about playing a game and start playing, what I do is set a goal, or multiple goals for myself to complete in it, whether it be just beating the game's story, or collecting all the little extra gadgets on the side, or whatever. In a way, this factor is non-existant in FFXI.
Beyond accomplishing /your/ personal goals and accomplishments, the game literally has no end, or more like, that is what SE wants. To keep you playing(and playing) for as long as possible before you realize that there is no way to "finish/beat" the game. Is that really the type of game that you want to be playing?
There is also the community side of the game, where you can communicate and socialize with the other players, but is the 12.50$+ you pay every month really justifiable when there are things like messengers and ventrilo available for free that you could use to talk to those same people? If there's no more fun in playing FFXI as an actual video game and not a social gathering, than it just becomes a stylized facebook that requires you to pay money every month to keep using.
I know that people have been playing this game for many years, doing the same activities (Dynamis,Sky,Sea,whatever, and most likely the new WoTG endgame stuff once everyone figures out how it works in a month or two) everyday and still continue to do them, so i'd like to know what those people (and everyone who is still playing as well) see this game as and what drives them to continue on.
I didn't make this post asking people to quit or anything, but i'm just curious to see if the people who are playing are aware of the reality behind what FFXI is.
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