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By Avatan 2010-03-07 00:56:10
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I come back from a 3month break 1st day playing I get into a dynamis run, end up getting stuck in the pld party, set up PLD PLD WHM RDM THF and some DD I think. I was refreshing and hasting the Plds and whm every time I saw it wear off or noticed there mp wasnt going up like it should with refresh on, then I died, never had chance to RR since the pulled right away, Then when I finaly get raise Ls leader tells me to make sure I keep Refresh and Haste on the main tank. Then at some point half way threw run the whm in the party left or d/c'd I dont know what happend to him. But I ended up being the only healer in the TANK party for like a hour or so. I was keeping refresh and haste on the main tank untill the blms didnt sleep mobs or something and I keep getting hate... Also I ended up being the ONLY person out of like a mix of 8 rdms whms and schs who where healing the PLDs the outside partys in the alliance who was healing them at certin points and they died because it was hard to keep them both alive while im getting hit also... and one of the plds for some reason was getting hit 300+ every hit even my friend said something is wrong with there gear... anyway the leader ended up saying I was the worst rdm he has ever seen and kickd me even tho I was doing the best i could to try to keep them alive... so post back and tell me wht u think of this...
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-03-07 00:57:31
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yup you're a bad rdm
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-07 01:00:34
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Holy run on batman
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By Avatan 2010-03-07 01:02:56
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i mean really am i a bad rdm since i couldnt keep refresh haste and main heal the 2 people in run who are taking most damage since i was only one curing them at points and its my 1st day back?
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-03-07 01:03:55
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yup you're terrible
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By Avatan 2010-03-07 01:04:36
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lol get a mage job b4 u talk about other mages being bad kid
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By Phoenix.Slytribal 2010-03-07 01:05:27
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Wait, Blms were sleeping the mobs? That should be your job as Rdm
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By Fairy.Andrinne 2010-03-07 01:06:30
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*** quit that jackass dynamis shell.
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By Avatan 2010-03-07 01:07:35
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>.> all ls i been in blms have always been main sleepers since they have sleepga 2
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-07 01:07:46
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Phoenix.Slytribal said:
Wait, Blms were sleeping the mobs? That should be your job as Rdm
Some lss do it that way.

And yes if you can't haste/refresh and heal 2 people you are doing it wrong.

I've been the rdm debuffing, stunning ever 23 sec, healing, buffing the 2 plds and curing them before np.

Most the time I manage to nuke as well unless I'm fighting stupid stuff like byakko
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By Avatan 2010-03-07 01:08:25
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i got kickd from it lol
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By Avatan 2010-03-07 01:09:28
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Dasva did u have anyone else casting cures on the plds and have plds tht had better gear then Af and tht crap sandy past 68 gear?
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By Fairy.Winterlight 2010-03-07 01:10:33
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You're not a bad RDM. Just bad at punctuation...
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-03-07 01:11:37
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If you're gonna argue with everyone who gives you an honest answer, why ask the question?

just title the thread:

PLEASE TELL ME I'M A GOOD RDM PLEASE I NEED REASSURANCE
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By Phoenix.Slytribal 2010-03-07 01:11:40
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Well either way, I Sleepga mobs, haste 2 or 3 Plds, refresh them and Whm depending on who turns up. Sometimes I have to heal too, as well as silence any Bst pets. Buffing 2 people and healing isn't exactly much to be asked for in Dyna.
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By Avatan 2010-03-07 01:14:03
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yea i have no problem with buffing but the point is, i was the only person healing the plds, noone else not even the alliance whms and stuff where helping for awhile and these plds didnt even have halfway good tanking eg gear >.> one died in 3hits and was getting crit on for 600+
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By shadower 2010-03-07 01:14:51
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Phoenix.Slytribal said:
Wait, Blms were sleeping the mobs? That should be your job as Rdm

hmmm. I'm on sleep duty and nukes all the time on BLM tho LOL
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-07 01:15:01
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Avatan said:
Dasva did u have anyone else casting cures on the plds and have plds tht had better gear then Af and tht crap sandy past 68 gear?
Actually most plds use that "past crappy 68 gear" because it is actually very good. And yes I have been the only cure before. Or only had a brd helping lol. Depends on the strength of the mob and how fast it attacks. Like I would refuse to do that against the aht urghan HNMs.

But really most mobs in namis aren't that bad against a pld until they 2hr. And plds should be saving sentinel for HF and should be able to eat a EES then need a cure. Also they are plds. They should be healing themselves a little. If I am doing that chances are I'm not sleepgaing and debuffing everything anymore though
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-03-07 01:16:03
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While Iron Ram shouldn't be fulltimed, it dosen't have particularly bad defense either. So it's no excuse that you can't keep a PLD in I.R. gear alive.
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By Avatan 2010-03-07 01:16:34
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lmao i wish they heald they only heald when they where about to die other then tht mp was full most of time and my mp was under 100 but i couldnt rest since they wouldnt cure -.-
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By Avatan 2010-03-07 01:18:56
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keeping 1 pld alive would have been easy but i was main healing 2 plds tht where alway taking damage and couldnt keep mp up since i was only one curing em since whm left mid run
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-07 01:20:24
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I don't think I've rested on rdm in the middle of a fight/event in like 4-5 years unless it was a wipe. And if we still have mobs on us I'm often kiting or something. Hell half the time convert never even gets looked at.
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By Cerberus.Mindi 2010-03-07 01:30:45
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dunno about your rdm but this LS and those PLD sucked very much.

who the hell uses in 2010 PLD IN DYNAMIS?!?! thats so weak. and if those PLD dont even use their mp to heal themsef(and keep hate with selfcures) they for sure sucked more then you.

but anyways. its np to mainheal a PT with 4-5 DD as RDM and keep them buffed in dynamis (where no PLD's are used, so DD take the hits). So healing 2 PLD's shouldnt be a problem in loldynamis.

So for me it all comes down to.... the LS you were with sucked bad.

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By Ramuh.Urial 2010-03-07 01:31:36
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Really it could be as much you're a bad RDM as the pld was just a poor pld. Also it could just be a poor LS. I main tank Dynamis as well as run the shell. I have a rd main heal me and the other pld. Any zone short of Xarc it's never an issue. I say Xarc because he mobs have incredibly high def. In most situations on PLD I'm no more than a first voke simply directing the DD's on what to attack and making it so the mobs don't attack the BLM's who sleep(yea that's right blms main sleep because 4 forms of sleep for 1 person is > 3 against weak mobs that don't resist) so I never take a beating. Thus the DD's get the whms because unless its a monk they will be taking most of the hits. Hell even on the monks I don't take much dmg because I sentinel.
Long story short.
Its either a fail pld.
Or a Fail ls because they are using 2 low of numbers and in low number situations RDM's don't do well main healing a PLD who is taking a lot of hits with mediocre defense gear.(if you are tanking Dynamis in full iron ram and can't put together a namis set I don't expect much from you)
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-03-07 01:34:56
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Cerberus.Mindi said:
dunno about your rdm but this LS and those PLD sucked very much.

who the hell uses in 2010 PLD IN DYNAMIS?!?! thats so weak. and if those PLD dont even use their mp to heal themsef(and keep hate with selfcures) they for sure sucked more then you.

but anyways. its np to mainheal a PT with 4-5 DD as RDM and keep them buffed in dynamis (where no PLD's are used, so DD take the hits). So healing 2 PLD's shouldnt be a problem in loldynamis.

So for me it all comes down to.... the LS you were with sucked bad.


there are two sides to every story. if the plds were really that bad, wouldn't they have been kicked before now? There are exceptions, but generally the caliber of dyna lses who accept fulltime I.R. paladins don't up and kick people unless they are egregious. I doubt the OP is telling the whole story.
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By Seraph.Liberata 2010-03-07 01:34:58
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Also depends on what Dynamis it was. City and ice? I don't think it's an unreasonable workload. However, there are certain places in CoP Dynamis where status effects/buff wiping can be pretty rough. (I'm thinking of stuff like hippos in Valk, efts in Bubu, etc.)
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By Carbuncle.Sterling 2010-03-07 01:38:10
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In my opinion, they should have taken a mage from a DD party and put it in the tank party out of your consideration. I sometimes main heal PLD party in Dyna and when we're low-manning a zone it can sometimes be a challenge, especially if you have people shouting commands at you and demanding haste on top of your refresh and cures. You are also never guaranteed a decent PLD and often times you'll get the newcomer that wants to "give it a shot" and you realize they rarely or never use their own MP to keep themselves alive.
I sympathize with you. You gave it a shot and did what you could with managing your own MP and respecting the expectations of your PLDs and that's all you can really do. Maybe your tank party will learn something from the experience and be more considerate about your work load next time.
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By Cerberus.Mindi 2010-03-07 01:39:46
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Sevourn i am not saying his rdm was awsome, just that the LS and even more the PLD have most likly sucked as much as him if not more. Normally everyone and his mother has a RDM, so kicking a RDM is easyer then kicking a lolpld, maybe it were this LS's only PLD (poor sucky LS...)
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By Kujata.Daus 2010-03-07 09:20:21
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What dynamis was this >.>...well first...dont haste the whm wtf...and second why couldnt the whm haste the tanks? If you can keep up a refresh cycle and help sleep and cure then the whm can haste and cure (or REGEN jeebus). Although Ive had the experience of being made to haste the plds too with a whm in the group but it made me really cranky. Back in ye olden days the whm was main haster and the rdm got whoever the whm couldnt.

At most, Id haste the extra DD and thf...if the whm is struggling with mp over haste (either your group sucks or the whm is wasting mp or afraid to use mp /kicks the afraid whm) then Id offer to help haste one pld or drop both my DD hastes and haste both plds...I think its stupid that a rdm should haste an entire pt when theres a whm there. The whms mp should really reflect yours in a way imo. If the whm is sitting at 100mp and you're at 900 and you havent needed to convert then wtf is going on?

Ive main healed dynamises as rdm and whm in the pld pt and Ive never had an issue keeping up my mp and being able to haste, cure and refresh. In dynamis xarc, hasting your plds can save your whm mp because the slow aoe never takes affect.

300+ damage Im going to assume were from mnk mobs? It shouldnt happen all the time though, theres few mobs that can keel your tank over that fast. Or maybe my tanks are just boring, Im not personally used to getting hate either. If you're main healing and you need mp then it is super important to say "HAY TANK PT NEEDS MP" before pulling the next wave.
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By Hades.Hatekhaos 2010-03-07 09:43:09
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In the Dynamis LS I'm in my role as rdm is as follows:

Sleepga Mobs- RDM main priority. BLM's are focused on nuking statues and other mobs. Mobs awake they come after the RDM who can take a hit and manage to get sleepga out again.
Refresh MP users- cycle refreshes
Cure: in party im main healer- if whm im party im backup)
Haste- cycle haste to DD's depending on my mp.

I always use Aspir whenever it is up also which is a big help.(cast with some haste gear on)

Sometimes its tough like when im in a blm party and cant miss a refresh on anyone while making sure to get sleepga/sleep2/sleep off on mobs.

Keeping mobs slept and avoiding a wipe is what's important.

I also have convert fully merited so that helps to.


this is my 2 cents on the topic.
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