MTG Over 9000 Creatures

Elf decks suck!

XD how?

Probably cause they use green mana. Greens philsophy when in doubt thrash about. But when you see someone tap for blue... your like wtf is he gunna do now /sigh. Red is like damn this is gunna hurt. White is like lol life lol and weenie smash. And black is like crap hes gunna rape my hand/library/graveyard/creatures/land/artifacts... my mind

What kind of black artifact removal are you using, lol?

Silly green... Always moving so slow. Which reminds me... I wonder if Ichorid is still being run. >.>

OMG, this is so stupid. The fact that the game got so far in for him to do something like that shows me that neither of the players have any real skill in deck building and playing. A real deck Elf deck would have won turn 3-4. Also, I will say this, that elf deck would have been crying to any type of fog effect followed up by a broad sweeper (aka Day of Judgement) since these guys seem to be playing standard (type 2) format.

Also as to if Ichorid is still being run.... well, in the tournament scene, no.... but I know alot of casual players that still play black decks with Ichorid in it.

Relying on a mass of tokens: upper fail.

Me and my friends gave up on that a loooooong time ago because the chances of pwning yourself is just too high. If the enemy has a card that targets a whole color of mobs it can be disastrous.. besides there are common cards that let you pay for every attack and are low on mp cost.. that would kill your whole deck and thats just a few possibilities. No, thanks.

Ichorid won the Legacy Championship at gencon this year.

Card that kills mono-colored decks (like the stupid Elf and Angel decks in the video) if it hits the board:

Iona, Shield of Emeria
Cost:6WWW
Legendary Creature: Angel
P/T: 7/7
Effects:
Flying
As Iona, Shield of Emeria enters the battlefield, choose a color.
Your opponents can't cast spells of the chosen color.

So, if a mono-colored deck can't win by at the lastest, turn 9, they lose the game if Iona hits play because at that point, they can't play another spell.

Thats true.... but now that the Dark Depths combo is out, Ichorid dies too fast.

Turn 1:
Urborg (effect that all lands are swamps in addition to whatever they are)

Turn 2:
Dark Depths
tap Urborg and Dark Depths for BB
Vampire Hexmage
Sacrifice Vampire Hexmage: Remove all counters from target permanent (Dark Depths)
20/20 flying indestructible on the board turn 2....
Turn 3:
Attack and win

Edit: This is the deck of choice for alot of Legacy and Extended players right now. Of course, Ravanger Affinity is always a popular choice (and many play the anti-affinity deck too)

I don't see how that can be a topdeck at all.
So easy to answer it's sad.
Daze, Spell Snare, Force, Any Instant speed removal on that vampire, wasteland, etc etc etc

Seems weak in Legacy.

First off, instant speed removal wouldn't work, the player just responds by sacrificing the vampire. I didn't say it was a surefire win either. Its considered 1 of top 3 decks in Extended, and just because of the potential it has, its still considered one of the top decks in Legacy (don't ask me why, of course, this is just opinion gathered from major tourney players I know/hang out with). Of course, also consider this, Dredge in Legacy works great, but of course, people also associate Dredge with Ichorid because he is one of the backup kill conditions, but not the main one.

Edit: Also, the deck is highly played because of Pro Tour Austin... so many pros started using the deck tehre in extended and are still working on way to perfect it for other formats.

Instant speed removal does work. You respond to them trying to use the vampire's ability by removing it.
Ichorid is only a tool in the Ichorid deck. He's the namesake. You don't actually attack to win with him. He's an engine. Ichorid decks win with Bridge From Below/Grave Troll/ Flamekin Zealot.

Extended =/= Legacy

That deck fails in legacy. Countertop/Thresh/Stax will eat it alive.

Wow.... really! Instant speed removal doesn't work because Sacrificing the Vampire is a COST for his effect. And because you have to pay a cost to activate the effect, he will no longer be on the board for instant speed removal to get him when its the opponent's turn to respond to the stack. Also, those decks are known as Dredge because of the dredge ability drives the deck, not Ichorid. Also, if you wanna look at ways to stop that deck, all I have to say to you is Darkness, Extirpate, Tormid's Crypt, etc..... every deck has its weaknesses, and as I said, the tourney players I know are the ones that made the statement about the Dark Depths deck being a solid deck for Legacy.

Ok so the sac is a cost whatever. My bad there.

Point is the combo sucks.
Everyone knows that there are lots of answers to Ichorid. People call the actual tournament deck Ichorid, because you don't build dredge decks without him. The difference with Ichorid decks is that nobody maindecks graveyard hate. You NEED graveyard hate on your sideboard to deal with Ichorid decks unless you're playing belcher. Nobody does that anymore anyway.

This combo is easily dealt with by numerous cards that any control deck runs maindeck. You don't even need specific answers for it. Any bounce and even counter deals with it. Even wastelands in any aggro deck can usually deal with it.

It sucks.

Uhm by turn 3 I already had drove of elves out as well as 5 other creatures. I could have won easily but I knew he would never get anything to take out my elves so I kept playing until I had 9000 tokens just for shits and giggles. With my elf deck its usually a 3-6 turn kill same with my goblin and artifact decks.

Ok, so in that case you are saying you did a poor job building the angel deck then and went up against it knowing you could beat it if your elf deck did 10% of what it was suppose to, because angel decks tend to have board sweepers and things of the such, they usually have more control so that the angels can see play instead of the player dieing before they get any angels out.

@ Ukiyasan: Oh no the angel deck is constructed fairly well. I went up against it with my elf deck to test it against one of my stronger decks (seeing as how it already beat my burn deck and my black decks) The problem was that the player really didn't know what to do with the angel deck (such as putting indestructibility on a moth that allowed him to gain 4 life each time its blocked instead he put it on a 1/1 kithkin with no effects) Also, I believe that another problem lies within the fact that it was going against a deck with shroud and indestructible creatures in it.

All in all, it was a fun match that could have ended 15 turns earlier but I just wanted to see it play out to see if he could come back and win (which obviously he didn't but could have)

Well, in that case I apologize about the statement I made. If you don't mind me asking, can you post the lists for both decks? I would like to see the mechanics of each deck.

Also, I'm gonna give you the list for a standard deck I have in mind just to see what you think of it. Its gonna be R/U, and I think the concept is interesting, but the deck itself might lack win conditions.