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By Ragnarok.Anye 2009-12-03 01:05:07
I don't want to get involved in a debate, but I'm just going to attempt to clarify some of your questions:
1. and 3.: Seraph.Bulleta said: 1. Galileo said that the earth revolves around the sun, but that went against the teaching of the church so they placed him under house arrest untill he died. Guess what? The Earth revolves around the sun.
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3. Christianity says that you should love everyone and treat them equally.. Weren't the nazis christian? The crusaders raped, killed, and looted from people in the name of "God". Slave drivers were devoted christians. Nice way to follow your religion :) Referring to the church/Nazis/crusaders--not everyone who proclaims they work in the name of God actually DO the will of God. Remember that people will do anything, such as take advantage of a "good name," in order to achieve extremely selfish means. Exactly what you said, "Nice way to follow your religion"--it wasn't, nor do I see a lot of Christians who act in the name of God do so. However, that is not to say that there aren't those who don't try to follow Biblical teaching.
Seraph.Bulleta said: 2. God created everything, but who created god? It is believed that since he is the Creator, he has just simply existed.
Seraph.Bulleta said: 4. The bible gives two creation stories concerning Adam & Eve.
~~1. God created Adam & Eve.
~~2. God created Adam. Adam was lonely, so God took a rib from Adam and created Eve. As far as I'm concerned, I'm only aware of the second story, but you've essentially repeated yourself: God created Eve in both cases.
Seraph.Bulleta said: 5. Fossil records clearly show that there was life on Earth before humans. There's also a few errors in carbon dating, if you're not aware. Referring to this article in wikipedia, Radiocarbon dating - The need for calibration, Wikipedia said: A raw BP date cannot be used directly as a calendar date, because the level of atmospheric 14C has not been strictly constant during the span of time that can be radiocarbon dated. The level is affected by variations in the cosmic ray intensity which is in turn affected by variations in the earth's magnetosphere. In addition, there are substantial reservoirs of carbon in organic matter, the ocean, ocean sediments (see methane hydrate), and sedimentary rocks. Changes in the Earth's climate can affect the carbon flows between these reservoirs and the atmosphere, leading to changes in the atmosphere's 14C fraction. In short, the Earth's state, surrounding atmosphere, and climate have not been constant. Scientists have to make up for it using various methods. It is entirely possible that there are many instances of dramatic geological, atmospheric, and climatic changes that they are completely unaware of. However, this could be wrong as there is no way to concretely prove either argument right or wrong. Unless you were there.
Seraph.Bulleta said: 6. Noah's Arc? lol How can you fit 2 of every species of animal on a boat, and distribute them around the world precisely where they need to be to survive. Ex: Polar Bears in the Arctic. It would take a genius to create a boat like that. Noah wasn't a genius. Simple :) There's a such thing as evolution. If you follow the phylogenic tree down it's path and reduce each specie into it's pre-evolved ancestors, you've essentially allowed for "logarithmically*" fewer animals to fit on a large vessel (*it's known that life evolves exponentially). All because Creationists believe everything was created doesn't mean they don't believe in the ability of all living things to evolve and change in order to adapt to their surroundings.
7. and 8.: Seraph.Bulleta said: 7. God loves you? Then why did he drown every being on the planet, except for 2 of each species?
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8. "Love your Enemies" Sounds strange coming from someone who damns his enemies to hell... Ahh, here's where we get into Christian theology. I feel the phrase "God loves you" is thrown around a lot too freely. Here's the argument:
God is a God of justice. Justice, by his standard alone. As the Creator, he's got every right to do with creation as he pleases, doesn't he? And yet he gave humans the ability to choose for themselves whether or not they'd like to follow him....
God is a God of love. The priority of every Christian is to "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind" and to "Love your neighbor as yourself"--your neighbor being basically anyone, from your enemy to your closest friend. It's funny, because Christians are commanded to love, and yet it's a choice. A Christian's choice to become a Christian, therefore, is their choice to love God. That entails loving others, as God does. But Christians have no right to judge or "be the hand of God" by any means, they're rather supposed to be the "voice of God" proclaiming their belief in the hope that someone who was seeking God would find him.
But what's this thing about justice and love?
The connection between the two is Jesus Christ,Philippians said: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross! And all this for the sake of LOVE--That God, striving to be JUST saw those he created in his own image rebel and turn away from him, so in his justice he is angry, but in his love he reaches out.
Actually, "damnation to hell" is an interesting thing. It should be made well aware that "Heaven" and "Hell" are places where you choose to go. Christians choose to love God, and choose to spend eternity with him. Non-Christians choose not to love God, and choose not to spend eternity with him. But the torture is in the Christian perspective that, an eternity without a God they truly and fully love is the uttermost pain imaginable--thusly, Hell.
Hope that helped. :)
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-12-03 01:07:58
In my opinion how you can tell a thread shouldn't exist.
When you see more then a couple of people playing with the rate up/down of posts.
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2009-12-03 01:09:29
Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said: Anye stop being smart. Said I wasn't going to debate!!! ;D
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-12-03 01:10:37
Ragnarok.Anye said: Pandemonium.Bartimaeus said: Anye stop being smart. Said I wasn't going to debate!!! ;D You can...not debate by... posting "I'm right you're wrong *lock thread*" =]
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2009-12-03 01:14:09
*Topicbans Ludo* *looks around innocently* What? Did someone say something?
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-12-03 01:16:09
test
*edit* You fooled me D=
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2009-12-03 01:17:14
; ; Yes, I lied. May God have mercy on my soul. T^T
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2009-12-03 01:23:10
Asura.Ludoggy said: In my opinion how you can tell a thread shouldn't exist.
When you see more then a couple of people playing with the rate up/down of posts. Someone rated you down for each post O_o; I sacrificed my ability to rate for you :o
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By Bismarck.Ebonie 2009-12-03 01:25:47
from a scientific view point geologist claim they can trace back our globe through about 17 or 18 ice ages. So yes, climate does change considerably. For there to be oil in the desert at one time it must have been a swamp. Same for oil under the ocean. They also claim our north and south poles have changed several times over the history of earth.
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2009-12-03 03:01:43
Asura.Ludoggy said: Seraph.Bulleta said: 9/11 wasn't hundreds of years ago. Where in the Koran does it say "kill everyone that isnt muslim."
I read it...I know it doesnt say it in there. But I'm pretty sure you werent smart enough to figure out how to open the old testament to the first page.
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By Cerberus.Katarzyna 2009-12-03 10:32:44
Still waiting for an answer to my questions Bulleta.
Are you afraid to answer them because there IS no valid answer? Because anything you say other than "You haven't done anything to me to deserve persecution" is a flat out lie? Because you know if you answer my question, your stupid, childish theory will be thrown out the window?
I also watched an interesting show on the HAARP project in Alaska. Pretty scary ***, a lot scarier than any religion on the planet. Go go science!
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-03 10:36:15
Gilgamesh.Andras said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Seraph.Xdudemanx said: wtf is carling? lmfao Crazy beer from other countries wtf is Dasva? God
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-12-03 10:39:23
God created crazy people, science created the drugs to sedate those people.
God created animals, technology created the weapons to hunt those animals for food.
God created women, technology once again created the internet to display these women in their natural form.
God created boredom, so Man created wars.
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By Seraph.Bulleta 2009-12-03 10:41:12
Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Still waiting for an answer to my questions Bulleta.
Are you afraid to answer them because there IS no valid answer? Because anything you say other than "You haven't done anything to me to deserve persecution" is a flat out lie? Because you know if you answer my question, your stupid, childish theory will be thrown out the window?
I also watched an interesting show on the HAARP project in Alaska. Pretty scary ***, a lot scarier than any religion on the planet. Go go science!
I would have answered your question if I saw it.
Is that hard to believe?
What is the question?
Does the question exist along with god? lol
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2009-12-03 10:42:06
Cerberus.Katarzyna said: Still waiting for an answer to my questions Bulleta.
Are you afraid to answer them because there IS no valid answer? Because anything you say other than "You haven't done anything to me to deserve persecution" is a flat out lie? Because you know if you answer my question, your stupid, childish theory will be thrown out the window?
I also watched an interesting show on the HAARP project in Alaska. Pretty scary ***, a lot scarier than any religion on the planet. Go go science!
pretty, sad and ignorant of her. I admit it >>>>> Christian/protestant, born and raised. I do not go spouting what for people to believe it is just that when I see someone like Bulleta post it irritates me to no end. I listen to all things but when I see atheists like this, i can't help but respond to them like they are...you guys get me right >.>.
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2009-12-03 10:48:36
Shiva.Xellith said: evolution just makes sense.
The world being 4000 years old and people being made by a mythical creature like the toothfairy is not.
Oh I was looking at this, whom ever said the world was four thousands years old? I am a Christian and even I do not believe this, unless it could possibly be and there is some explanation?
Ayne even stated issue's with carbon dating it can be anything to cause this, imagine something being charred and stuff from a Meteorite. and changes in the Environment , etc.
But like I said earth does not look like it is 4000 year's old but does this disprove, god?
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By Seraph.Bulleta 2009-12-03 10:53:23
Bahamut.Stanflame said: Shiva.Xellith said: evolution just makes sense.
The world being 4000 years old and people being made by a mythical creature like the toothfairy is not.
Oh I was looking at this, whom ever said the world was four thousands years old? I am a Christian and even I do not believe this, unless it could possibly be and there is some explanation?
Ayne even stated issue's with carbon dating it can be anything to cause this, imagine something being charred and stuff from a Meteorite. and changes in the Environment , etc.
But like I said earth does not look like it is 4000 year's old but does this disprove, god?
Well...
Since the bible says that god created the world long after the world was already here....
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By Cerberus.Katarzyna 2009-12-03 10:58:18
Seraph.Bulleta said: I would have answered your question if I saw it.
Is that hard to believe?
What is the question?
Does the question exist along with god? lol
Wow, I only posted it like 4 times. You seem to be answering everyone else, yet dodge my question completely more than once.
What have I done to deserve your persecution? How have I personally hurt you and your way of life for you to want to take something important away from me? You act like all people who are religious are out to get you, that we are some way hindering on your way of life. Give me an example of how I hindered yours.
And once again, quit patronizing me. Why don't you learn to read, because I've asked it more than once. I'm curious to know the answer, as I'm sure others are.
Bahamut.Stanflame said: pretty, sad and ignorant of her. I admit it >>>>> Christian/protestant, born and raised. I do not go spouting what for people to believe it is just that when I see someone like Bulleta post it irritates me to no end. I listen to all things but when I see atheists like this, i can't help but respond to them like they are...you guys get me right >.>.
Unfortunately, the ignorant will never admit to the fact that their ignorant. Otherwise they wouldn't be ignorant.
Bulleta is just a sad, scared little girl who overcompensates with her lack of belief in a higher power by determining everything she can't see simply doesn't exist, and saying that everyone else is wrong and she is right.
She is a bandwagon Atheist. She probably stopped believing somewhere in her middle high school days because, like most teenagers, she can't possibly entertain any ideas that are outside her little bubble of "truth."
She probably has not researched any religions. Like most self-proclaimed non-believers, she probably skimmed a religious text or two, picked out only the ideas that support her argument, and rolls with them, completely leaving out the stuff that may be true. After all, she has to look good for all of her super cool friends.
In the end, Bulleta is the equivalent of a screaming toddler. People don't agree with her, so she thinks she has to scream louder. After all, the loudest voices get the most attention, and this is the internet afterall. She's pissed off at her parents for "forcing" a religion on her, which is something she needs to work out in therapy with her parents. But, being a firm believer in science, she probably won't, because emotions and feelings are something you cannot see, therefore, she doesn't believe in it.
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2009-12-03 10:58:22
Fairy.Vegetto said: "Why does it offend you when I pray to my god?"
It doesn't, but that doesn't mean I have to acknowledge whoever your god may be and believe it or not, some people get pissed because of that.
"What effect does that have on you and your normal every day life?"
If you pray, nothing. If you're going out of your way trying to convert me, it does have an effect. All depends on what you do with your beliefs, not the beliefs themselves.
"It doesn't bother me that you don't belive the same as I do. Why does it bother you so much?"
Maybe not to you personally, but there are some out there that do. I don't have a problem with people who believe in something, but I do have a problem with people trying to push those beliefs onto myself, ect.
How stupid will you feel if you find out god exists?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-03 11:01:46
Ragnarok.Anye said: I don't want to get involved in a debate, but I'm just going to attempt to clarify some of your questions: 1. and 3.: Seraph.Bulleta said: 1. Galileo said that the earth revolves around the sun, but that went against the teaching of the church so they placed him under house arrest untill he died. Guess what? The Earth revolves around the sun. ==== 3. Christianity says that you should love everyone and treat them equally.. Weren't the nazis christian? The crusaders raped, killed, and looted from people in the name of "God". Slave drivers were devoted christians. Nice way to follow your religion :) Referring to the church/Nazis/crusaders--not everyone who proclaims they work in the name of God actually DO the will of God. Remember that people will do anything, such as take advantage of a "good name," in order to achieve extremely selfish means. Exactly what you said, "Nice way to follow your religion"--it wasn't, nor do I see a lot of Christians who act in the name of God do so. However, that is not to say that there aren't those who don't try to follow Biblical teaching. Right not everyone. But we aren't talking about isolated groups here. These are entire nations doing it.
Ragnarok.Anye said: Seraph.Bulleta said: 2. God created everything, but who created god? It is believed that since he is the Creator, he has just simply existed. And yet one of arguments by Christians is well who created whatever was first blah blah...
Ragnarok.Anye said: Seraph.Bulleta said: 4. The bible gives two creation stories concerning Adam & Eve. ~~1. God created Adam & Eve. ~~2. God created Adam. Adam was lonely, so God took a rib from Adam and created Eve. As far as I'm concerned, I'm only aware of the second story, but you've essentially repeated yourself: God created Eve in both cases. Not exact repititions. More like order. 1 says they both happened the other says Adam then Eve.
Ragnarok.Anye said: Seraph.Bulleta said: 5. Fossil records clearly show that there was life on Earth before humans. There's also a few errors in carbon dating, if you're not aware. Referring to this article in wikipedia, Radiocarbon dating - The need for calibration, Wikipedia said: A raw BP date cannot be used directly as a calendar date, because the level of atmospheric 14C has not been strictly constant during the span of time that can be radiocarbon dated. The level is affected by variations in the cosmic ray intensity which is in turn affected by variations in the earth's magnetosphere. In addition, there are substantial reservoirs of carbon in organic matter, the ocean, ocean sediments (see methane hydrate), and sedimentary rocks. Changes in the Earth's climate can affect the carbon flows between these reservoirs and the atmosphere, leading to changes in the atmosphere's 14C fraction. In short, the Earth's state, surrounding atmosphere, and climate have not been constant. Scientists have to make up for it using various methods. It is entirely possible that there are many instances of dramatic geological, atmospheric, and climatic changes that they are completely unaware of. However, this could be wrong as there is no way to concretely prove either argument right or wrong. Unless you were there. It might mess up exact numbers and all but having stuff from the same region being older is still older even if the number is wrong. As far as dramatic geological/atomespheric/climate changes it is highly unlikely that we don't know about any especailly as recent as the supposed few thousand years Christians claim we've been around. Turns out all that stuff leaves evidence. Hell it is how we've gotten alot of our knowledge on more severe weather/climates that we haven't experienced since we've been able to adequately record it.
Ragnarok.Anye said: Seraph.Bulleta said: 6. Noah's Arc? lol How can you fit 2 of every species of animal on a boat, and distribute them around the world precisely where they need to be to survive. Ex: Polar Bears in the Arctic. It would take a genius to create a boat like that. Noah wasn't a genius. Simple :) There's a such thing as evolution. If you follow the phylogenic tree down it's path and reduce each specie into it's pre-evolved ancestors, you've essentially allowed for "logarithmically*" fewer animals to fit on a large vessel (*it's known that life evolves exponentially). All because Creationists believe everything was created doesn't mean they don't believe in the ability of all living things to evolve and change in order to adapt to their surroundings. 7. and 8.: So if creation does exist what's to stop it from being where everything came from? Also we know that evolution doesn't take place on the kind of time scale allowed by the either Christian or scientific reckoning of time. Neither puts our civilization at the ablity to build any decent kind of boat more than a few thousand years ago. I doubt enough new species of diseases have evolved in that time period to fit the animals that couldn't put on the boat compared to what we have today. And as far as actually animals with much much longer lifespans go there is barely enough evolution in the last few thousand years to have even made a hyphosesis on (let alone prove) about evolution and even then generally only in remote isolated places.
Ragnarok.Anye said: Seraph.Bulleta said: 7. God loves you? Then why did he drown every being on the planet, except for 2 of each species? ===== 8. "Love your Enemies" Sounds strange coming from someone who damns his enemies to hell... Ahh, here's where we get into Christian theology. I feel the phrase "God loves you" is thrown around a lot too freely. Here's the argument: God is a God of justice. Justice, by his standard alone. As the Creator, he's got every right to do with creation as he pleases, doesn't he? And yet he gave humans the ability to choose for themselves whether or not they'd like to follow him.... God is a God of love. The priority of every Christian is to "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind" and to "Love your neighbor as yourself"--your neighbor being basically anyone, from your enemy to your closest friend. It's funny, because Christians are commanded to love, and yet it's a choice. A Christian's choice to become a Christian, therefore, is their choice to love God. That entails loving others, as God does. But Christians have no right to judge or "be the hand of God" by any means, they're rather supposed to be the "voice of God" proclaiming their belief in the hope that someone who was seeking God would find him. But what's this thing about justice and love? The connection between the two is Jesus Christ, Philippians said: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross! And all this for the sake of LOVE--That God, striving to be JUST saw those he created in his own image rebel and turn away from him, so in his justice he is angry, but in his love he reaches out. Actually, "damnation to hell" is an interesting thing. It should be made well aware that "Heaven" and "Hell" are places where you choose to go. Christians choose to love God, and choose to spend eternity with him. Non-Christians choose not to love God, and choose not to spend eternity with him. But the torture is in the Christian perspective that, an eternity without a God they truly and fully love is the uttermost pain imaginable--thusly, Hell. Hope that helped. :) =edited for quotes=
Where is the justice or love creating something a certain way knowing how it will behave and act and still blaming it and saying hahha your choice /smackdown? For that matter where is the choice? If everything is known beforehand for a certainity that implicitly implies it can not be any different. As such there is no choice. We will all act exactly as has been deteremined way before we were born.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2009-12-03 11:04:10
Bahamut.Stanflame said: How stupid will you feel if you find out god exists? Not at all. It is part of the normal logic. Someone says hey stuff. People go POIDH!!! Pics arrive everyone goes oh guess so. We move on.
How stupid will you feel when you find out that you were beleiving in something that contradicts all thinking and logic... oh wait you never will have to. Unless scientology has it right or somethign lol
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By Cerberus.Katarzyna 2009-12-03 11:06:53
Bahamut.Stanflame said: How stupid will you feel if you find out god exists?
They don't have to feel stupid. Humans make mistakes. If not believing in god is truly a mistake, then there's nothing to be ashamed of.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-12-03 11:25:14
Bahamut.Stanflame said: Fairy.Vegetto said: "Why does it offend you when I pray to my god?"
It doesn't, but that doesn't mean I have to acknowledge whoever your god may be and believe it or not, some people get pissed because of that.
"What effect does that have on you and your normal every day life?"
If you pray, nothing. If you're going out of your way trying to convert me, it does have an effect. All depends on what you do with your beliefs, not the beliefs themselves.
"It doesn't bother me that you don't belive the same as I do. Why does it bother you so much?"
Maybe not to you personally, but there are some out there that do. I don't have a problem with people who believe in something, but I do have a problem with people trying to push those beliefs onto myself, ect.
How stupid will you feel if you find out god exists? None whatsoever. If he wanted everyone to just up and believe him, then he should have came and proven his existence. Would be his own fault for people not believing in him.
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By Sylph.Beelshamen 2009-12-03 11:34:47
Fairy.Vegetto said: Bahamut.Stanflame said: Fairy.Vegetto said: "Why does it offend you when I pray to my god?"
It doesn't, but that doesn't mean I have to acknowledge whoever your god may be and believe it or not, some people get pissed because of that.
"What effect does that have on you and your normal every day life?"
If you pray, nothing. If you're going out of your way trying to convert me, it does have an effect. All depends on what you do with your beliefs, not the beliefs themselves.
"It doesn't bother me that you don't belive the same as I do. Why does it bother you so much?"
Maybe not to you personally, but there are some out there that do. I don't have a problem with people who believe in something, but I do have a problem with people trying to push those beliefs onto myself, ect.
How stupid will you feel if you find out god exists? Would be his own fault for people not believing in him.
Wouldn't be much of a thing called "faith" if he came down and announced himself eh?
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By Pandemonium.Aravol 2009-12-03 11:36:55
Fairy.Vegetto said: Bahamut.Stanflame said: Fairy.Vegetto said: "Why does it offend you when I pray to my god?" It doesn't, but that doesn't mean I have to acknowledge whoever your god may be and believe it or not, some people get pissed because of that. "What effect does that have on you and your normal every day life?" If you pray, nothing. If you're going out of your way trying to convert me, it does have an effect. All depends on what you do with your beliefs, not the beliefs themselves. "It doesn't bother me that you don't belive the same as I do. Why does it bother you so much?" Maybe not to you personally, but there are some out there that do. I don't have a problem with people who believe in something, but I do have a problem with people trying to push those beliefs onto myself, ect. How stupid will you feel if you find out god exists? None whatsoever. If he wanted everyone to just up and believe him, then he should have came and proven his existence. Would be his own fault for people not believing in him. It is alot deeper than showing and proving to people that God exists by him having a global conference call. If he did then everyone would shape up and "believe". To remain in word of the bible and people trying to communicate the issue would mean more dont you think.
People who refuse to beleive and rebuke God dont really deserve his presence in the first place. This way, our true character comes out and we dont live a lie.
Just my opinion.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-12-03 11:40:52
Pandemonium.Aravol said: Fairy.Vegetto said: Bahamut.Stanflame said: Fairy.Vegetto said: "Why does it offend you when I pray to my god?" It doesn't, but that doesn't mean I have to acknowledge whoever your god may be and believe it or not, some people get pissed because of that. "What effect does that have on you and your normal every day life?" If you pray, nothing. If you're going out of your way trying to convert me, it does have an effect. All depends on what you do with your beliefs, not the beliefs themselves. "It doesn't bother me that you don't belive the same as I do. Why does it bother you so much?" Maybe not to you personally, but there are some out there that do. I don't have a problem with people who believe in something, but I do have a problem with people trying to push those beliefs onto myself, ect. How stupid will you feel if you find out god exists? None whatsoever. If he wanted everyone to just up and believe him, then he should have came and proven his existence. Would be his own fault for people not believing in him. It is alot deeper than showing and proving to people that God exists by him having a global conference call. If he did then everyone would shape up and "believe". To remain in word of the bible and people trying to communicate the issue would mean more dont you think.
People who refuse to beleive and rebuke God dont really deserve his presence in the first place. This way, our true character comes out and we dont live a lie.
Just my opinion. I thought all people were equal in his eyes? So now we have people who deserve to be "saved" and those who don't?
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By Asura.Korpg 2009-12-03 11:41:05
Why do people expect answers of the unknown, without having to do any research or effort to know the unknown themselves?
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-12-03 11:41:54
As for the word of the bible, how many generations has been passed? Whose to say that things haven't been changed from the contents of the original author of the best selling fiction of all time?
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2009-12-03 11:42:34
Asura.Korpg said: Why do people expect answers of the unknown, without having to do any research or effort to know the unknown themselves? If you're referring to me, I don't expect anything, because it's fake.
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A lot of the people in this world believe we need to regulate drugs and guns to make this a safer place. I have a different insight. I think if you're going to regulate one thing that has the most potential to cause death and destruction, it should be religion. Religion is dangerous, and I don't say this out of bitterness. I was raised catholic. I was never molested, but.. Meh i'm a little insulted lol. I was attractive, so hey it was their loss.
What I have against religion is... They start you when you are so defensless. I was 3 years old when they started pumping this BS into my head. I believed in Santa Clause and the Fairy Godmother, ofcourse I believed in virgin birth, a guy that lived in a whale, and a woman came from a rib. But then, something very important happened to me that made me doubt all of it. I graduated the 6th grade :)
What is so hard about saying "I don't know" !?
Ofcourse there are questions that plaque all of us...
How did we get here?
What happens when we die?
Is there a heaven?
Am I on the list?
Who let the dogs out?
So why would you believe some other human being (Who's brain "I promise you is no bigger or better than your own") when he tells you he knows what happens when you die?
"Don't masturbate now, or you won't get to hang out with Jesus in heaven! How do I know!? I've got a pointy hat! I have a hat, and a robe, I have smoke and a wand!"... It's so gay.
Every Sunday is like a pageant with the costumes, the wands, the goblets, the smoke, and the men kneeling down in front of other men with their mouths open.. Nothing gay about that!
Religion, easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there is an invisible man living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of 10 things He does not want you to do. And if you do any of these 10 things, he has a special place full of fire, and smoke, and burning, and torture, and anguish, where he will send you to live to burn, and suffer, and choke, and scream, and cry forever and ever untill the end of time. BuT He LoVeS YoU <3 <3 <3 <3
He loves you and he always needs MONEY! He's all powerful, all perfect, all knowing, and all wise, but somehow he just can't handle money o.O!! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more $$$$$ Talk about a good bullshit story.. Holyshit!
This is Sincere: When it came to believing in god, I really tried. I wanted to believe that there was a god who created us in his own image, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I tried, but the longer you live, the more you look around, and the more you realize that something is ????d up:
(War Disease Death Destruction Hunger Filth Poverty Torture Crime)
This is not good work. If this is the best god can do, I am not impressed. A results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being. These are the results you would expect from an office temp with a bad attitude.
Between you and me... In any feasibly ran universe, this guy would have been out on his all powerful ass a long time ago. I say guy, because if there really is a god he has to be a man. No woman could or would ever ???? things up like this ^.^
If there is a god, I think that most reasonable people would agree that he is atleast incompetent, and maybe.. Just maybe.. He doesn't give a shit. Which I admire in a person, and it would explain a lot of these bad results. So instead of being just another mindless-religious robot, mindlessly.. Aimlessly.. Blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompitent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to find something else to worship. Something I could actually count on...
I immidiatly thought of the sun. Overnight, just like that. I became a sun worshipper, but not overnight because you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning....
Several reasons...
First of all, I can see the sun. (Unlike a few other gods I know). I'm big on that, if I can see something it kind of helps the credibility. So everyday I can see the sun as it gives me everything I need: Light, Heat, Food, Flowers in the Park, Reflections in the Lake, the occasional skin cancer but hey.. Atleast there are no crucifixions and setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.
Sun worshipping is simple. There are no mysteries, no miracles, no pageantry, noone asks for money, no songs to learn, and we don't have a building we gather together in once a week to compare clothing.
Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? Its god's will~? It will be done. Fine, but if it's god's will, he is going to do what he wants to anyway... Why the hell pray for it in the first place? Couldn't you just skip the paying, and just go straight to god's will?
I do believe prayers are answered though.. Maybe at a 50% rate! Half the time I get what I want. Half of the time I don't. Same as the four leaf clover, the horse shoe, the wishing well, the rabbit's foot, the mojo man, same as the voodoo lady that tells you fortune by squeezing a goat's testicle. It's all the same.. 50/50... So just pick your superstition, make a wish, and sit back and enjoy yourself.
And for those of you who look to the bible for moral lessons, and literary qualities... I'll suggest a few other stories for you... You might want to look at:
~The Three Little Pigs (It has a nice happy ending)
~Little Red Riding Hood (Although it has that X-rated part where the wolf actually eats the grandmother)
~Humpty Dumpty (All the king's horses, and all the king's men couldn't put humpty dumpty back together again. That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God.)
If there is a God, may he strike me dead!....
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